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Thalassotitan atrox Teeth?


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Hi guys are these teeth all Thalassotitan atrox, thanks :) 

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By the looks of it, yeah :)

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17 hours ago, pachy-pleuro-whatnot-odon said:

By the looks of it, yeah :)

Thanks ;) were there no other small prognathodon species?

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16 minutes ago, Notidanodon said:

Thanks ;) were there no other small prognathodon species?

 

None that have been described currently...

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On 3/16/2023 at 4:22 PM, pachy-pleuro-whatnot-odon said:

 

None that have been described currently...

Ah ok thanks, couldnt they be eramiasaurus?

@Praefectus none of these have carinae on both sides would this make them pterygoid?

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8 minutes ago, Notidanodon said:

Ah ok thanks, couldnt they be eramiasaurus?

@Praefectus none of these have carinae on both sides would this make them pterygoid?

 

If none of them have carinae on both sides this complicates matters somewhat. Anterior teeth of E. heterodontus would only have a single anterior carina, which doesn't seem to be the case here, right? All carinae appear to be posterior ones. This would indeed likely make them pterygoidal teeth. However, as far as I'm aware, palatal teeth generally already show a higher degree of lateral compression, which is the one defining characteristic that would set E. heterodontus apart from T. atrox. So, maybe not marginal T. atrox teeth any more then, but still that species for me. Just palatal teeth in that case.

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7 hours ago, pachy-pleuro-whatnot-odon said:

 

If none of them have carinae on both sides this complicates matters somewhat. Anterior teeth of E. heterodontus would only have a single anterior carina, which doesn't seem to be the case here, right? All carinae appear to be posterior ones. This would indeed likely make them pterygoidal teeth. However, as far as I'm aware, palatal teeth generally already show a higher degree of lateral compression, which is the one defining characteristic that would set E. heterodontus apart from T. atrox. So, maybe not marginal T. atrox teeth any more then, but still that species for me. Just palatal teeth in that case.

Yeah just to confirm this is the anterior view :) 

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Ugh, I'm moving fossils between locations and I just packed up a perfect example of a T. atrox anterior tooth that could be used for comparison. :duh2: Give me 10 min to unwrap it. 

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The first tooth looks to be Eremiasaurus heterodontus. The other two I am not so sure about. They are bulkier and may be from either (Eremiasaurus, Thalassotitan). All the teeth are pterygoid teeth. 

 

For comparison of anterior crowns of Eremiasaurus heterodontus and Thalassotitan atrox:

 

Eremiasaurus heterodontus

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Thalassotitan atrox (note the thickness and laterally oriented posterior carina)

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On 3/24/2023 at 11:54 AM, Praefectus said:

The first tooth looks to be Eremiasaurus heterodontus. The other two I am not so sure about. They are bulkier and may be from either (Eremiasaurus, Thalassotitan). All the teeth are pterygoid teeth. 

 

For comparison of anterior crowns of Eremiasaurus heterodontus and Thalassotitan atrox:

 

Eremiasaurus heterodontus

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Thalassotitan atrox (note the thickness and laterally oriented posterior carina)

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Nice teeth! :) yes ok thanks that info makes sense now I think I’m getting an idea for how to identify them. Thanks again!

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On 3/24/2023 at 10:54 PM, Praefectus said:

The first tooth looks to be Eremiasaurus heterodontus. The other two I am not so sure about. They are bulkier and may be from either (Eremiasaurus, Thalassotitan). All the teeth are pterygoid teeth. 

 

For comparison of anterior crowns of Eremiasaurus heterodontus and Thalassotitan atrox:

 

Eremiasaurus heterodontus

337494083_1273116273417416_1473630444216896397_n.jpg.3eb5e8fd476c44a8d623e84feb95f51b.jpg

 

Thalassotitan atrox (note the thickness and laterally oriented posterior carina)

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so niiice tooth!!

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