Meganeura Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 (edited) It has been a while since I’ve needed this many things ID’d! So found something I’m pretty sure is a mammoth carpal or tarsal bone (Or a toe? I really don’t know), a piece of… coral, maybe? And 2 limb bones. 1) Mammoth carpal/tarsal or toe - measures 6”x3.5”x2.5” or 150mmx90mmx63mm A video to show it better is at the end. Coral: Limb 1 - measures 6.5”x1” or 160mmx27mm Limb 2 - 4.2”x1.1” or 106mmx28mm @Shellseeker @digit @Harry Pristis @Brandy Cole thanks in advance! FullSizeRender.MOV Edited March 18 by Meganeura 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Brandy Cole Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 I'd try comparing your carpal to the examples here. https://umorf.ummp.lsa.umich.edu/wp/mammutidae2/ Reminds me a little of a lunar or pisiform, but since you have it in hand, you'd be a better judge. I'm not great with long bones, but your first long bone looks like a partial radius to me. I don't recognize it. Your last one looks to be a humerus. But a lot of times the most useful view to me in identifying those is the one that shows the olecranon fossa. That view isn't included here. My first impression is that it resembles small horse. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Brandy Cole Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Looking again at the humerus, deer is probably more likely. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Meganeura Posted March 18 Author Share Posted March 18 8 minutes ago, Brandy Cole said: Looking again at the humerus, deer is probably more likely. Deer would definitely make sense, given how many deer stuff I find. I found 2 deer calcaneum today as well. Pretty sure they're deer anyway... might post them for an ID later. Link to post Share on other sites
Meganeura Posted March 18 Author Share Posted March 18 16 minutes ago, Brandy Cole said: I'd try comparing your carpal to the examples here. https://umorf.ummp.lsa.umich.edu/wp/mammutidae2/ Reminds me a little of a lunar or pisiform, but since you have it in hand, you'd be a better judge. I'm not great with long bones, but your first long bone looks like a partial radius to me. I don't recognize it. Your last one looks to be a humerus. But a lot of times the most useful view to me in identifying those is the one that shows the olecranon fossa. That view isn't included here. My first impression is that it resembles small horse. It's absolutely the lunar, there's zero doubt in my mind there! Thank you! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Brandy Cole Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 @Meganeura Yeah, once I watched the video, I realized pisiform didn't look like a good fit. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Shellseeker Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 27 minutes ago, Brandy Cole said: I'd try comparing your carpal to the examples here. https://umorf.ummp.lsa.umich.edu/wp/mammutidae2/ Reminds me a little of a lunar or pisiform, but since you have it in hand, you'd be a better judge. I'm not great with long bones, but your first long bone looks like a partial radius to me. I don't recognize it. Your last one looks to be a humerus. But a lot of times the most useful view to me in identifying those is the one that shows the olecranon fossa. That view isn't included here. My first impression is that it resembles small horse. Thank you, Brandy.... GREAT ID tool. @digit Ken, do you think that UofM shares technology like this with say UF ? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
digit Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 1 hour ago, Meganeura said: Coral: The vertebrate corals are above my pay grade but the coral appears to be a Manicinia sp. cf. M. areolata. Cheers. -Ken 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Shellseeker Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 16 minutes ago, Meganeura said: It's absolutely the lunar, there's zero doubt in my mind there! Thank you! Be as exact as you can in descriptions.... Left lunar...It will matter in a couple of years 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Meganeura Posted March 18 Author Share Posted March 18 1 minute ago, Shellseeker said: Thank you, Brandy.... GREAT ID tool. @digit Ken, do you think that UofM shares technology like this with say UF ? I know Hulbert is working on something similar! 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Meganeura Posted March 18 Author Share Posted March 18 1 minute ago, digit said: The vertebrate corals are above my pay grade but the coral appears to be a Manicinia sp. cf. M. areolata. Cheers. -Ken I've never seen a coral like this in the Peace before, so I had to keep it. It's really pretty. Thanks Ken! Link to post Share on other sites
digit Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 2 minutes ago, Shellseeker said: @digit Ken, do you think that UofM shares technology like this with say UF ? It is indeed a wonderful tool. I'll have to show that to some of the people at UF. Cheers. -Ken Link to post Share on other sites
Shellseeker Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 1 minute ago, digit said: It is indeed a wonderful tool. I'll have to show that to some of the people at UF. Cheers. -Ken I am not trying to reproduce what mammals any institution does, but to use the technology to render those fauna that might be unique to the State that they are found in... Like maybe small horses from Florida Link to post Share on other sites
Meganeura Posted March 18 Author Share Posted March 18 2 minutes ago, Shellseeker said: I am not trying to reproduce what mammals any institution does, but to use the technology to render those fauna that might be unique to the State that they are found in... Like maybe small horses from Florida I'd agree with you there, Jack. Some 3D program like this for 3-toed horses would be incredible. I'd definitely add Holmesina and some big cats (Rhizosmilodon for example) to that list. Sloths too. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Shellseeker Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 34 minutes ago, Shellseeker said: Be as exact as you can in descriptions.... Left lunar...It will matter in a couple of years Never depend on someone else's ID when you have the bone in hand. This is the left lunar of a Mastodon, I am unsure if you have Left or Right, Mammoth or Mastodon.... Link to post Share on other sites
Meganeura Posted March 18 Author Share Posted March 18 2 minutes ago, Shellseeker said: Never depend on someone else's ID when you have the bone in hand. This is the left lunar of a Mastodon, I am unsure if you have Left or Right, Mammoth or Mastodon.... I'm unsure as well. And it seems I have the right one... but with one face worn off it's hard to tell. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Shellseeker Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 4 minutes ago, Meganeura said: I'm unsure as well. And it seems I have the right one... but with one face worn off it's hard to tell. I recognized my error, Identifying yours as "Left", when on retrospection, I could see it as 'Right". We only have this exact one for Mastodon. I do not know if we could differentiate even if e had an equivalent photo for a Mammoth right lunar. This is exciting technology for a Fossil enthusiast. Link to post Share on other sites
Meganeura Posted March 18 Author Share Posted March 18 2 minutes ago, Shellseeker said: I recognized my error, Identifying yours as "Left", when on retrospection, I could see it as 'Right". We only have this exact one for Mastodon. I do not know if we could differentiate even if e had an equivalent photo for a Mammoth right lunar. This is exciting technology for a Fossil enthusiast. Yeah the model seems to show that both sides look similar to the point where even differentiating the two if I had the left AND right in hand would be difficult... Ah well. Probiscidean Lunar bone works for me - and it's a pretty great find if I do say so myself! Link to post Share on other sites
Brandy Cole Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 @Shellseeker It has helped me several times! I think @JohnJwas the first one to share it with me when I found a couple of mammoth carpal bones. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Brandy Cole Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 I used this page from Olsen's Osteology for the Archaeologist book 3 to come to lunar as a possible ID. It shows distinctions between mammoth and mastodon. 4 Link to post Share on other sites
Meganeura Posted March 19 Author Share Posted March 19 2 minutes ago, Brandy Cole said: I used this page from Olsen's Osteology for the Archaeologist book 3 to come to lunar as a possible ID. It shows distinctions between mammoth and mastodon. Oooh its Mastodon then. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Brandy Cole Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 @Meganeura. That's the direction I am leaning, but wasn't sure due to the wear in since places. Link to post Share on other sites
Meganeura Posted March 19 Author Share Posted March 19 1 minute ago, Brandy Cole said: @Meganeura. That's the direction I am leaning, but wasn't sure due to the wear in since places. Mine is certainly more of a "T" shape like Mastodon as opposed to the "L" shape of mammoth - which the wear hasn't made impossible to tell. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Brandy Cole Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 @Meganeura Awesome find, by the way! Congrats! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Brandy Cole Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 (edited) I found what I think is a modern deer radius yesterday, and I think your radius may be deer as well. Edited March 20 by Brandy Cole Corrected description 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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