dinolol Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 (edited) Kosmoceras, I have been to a palaeontologist, I am still waiting on a answer 4 months latter. You do not have to be sorry for me about what you think (a bit presumptuous of you) may offend me. And I don't know why you would say that for anyway. I would feel just the same, if they are fossils or not, but would you feel the same if you are wrong. By the way, all fossils are stones and concretions are often much harder, more resistant to erosion than the surrounding rocks. Concretions can form around animal and plant remains, perfectly fossilising them. So, how would they look when they finally erode out. But maybe you would not see them in the midst of other rocks. Edited January 31, 2013 by Cris : Edited inappropriate comments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dinolol Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 With all due respect, the only opinion we seem to be getting that these finds you keep making are fossils, is yours. Following the last bout of discussions, I thought what we were expecting next was the opinion of a professional palaeontologist from an Australian museum. Some months later, we still don't have that. We don't have any explanation from you why that opinion is taking this amount of time to appear. In essence, we are no further forward. If you keep posting items like that and saying they are fossils then pretty much all of the membership here with any real experience is going to continue to say that you are mistaken. Stalemate. The route to breaking this deadlock - if you wish to - is in your own hands. Have you made a gentle call to the person that is examining your previous finds and asked the "how's it going?" question? If you have, what was the answer? If you haven't.... then why not? Yes I have 3 times and they say he has been too busy and may have to get a second opinion. They also said not to call or e-mail, that they would contact me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
painshill Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Well, that’s real disappointing and not the kind of response I would normally expect. Here’s a link to the Queensland Museum “ask an expert” query page which has an option to upload 5 pictures. http://www.qm.qld.gov.au/Find+out+about/Ask+an+Expert/Ask+a+Question Why don’t you see what they have to say? If you’re too busy, just say the word and I’ll upload a few of the pictures you’ve posted here and make the query on your behalf. Let me know if you’d also like any of the remarkable "fossil" pictures from your facebook page here uploaded: https://www.facebook.com/laurie.peninton If you have no particular preference on which pictures, I will happily make the selection for you. Let me know. Happy to help. Roger I keep six honest serving-men (they taught me all I knew);Their names are What and Why and When and How and Where and Who [Rudyard Kipling] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrannoraptor Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 I'm sorry Dinolol, but I don't see any fossils in your pics either. All I'm seeing are just rocks, and most of them don't even resemble a fossil. I'm by no means an expert, but many of this forum's members have decades of experience behind them, so I would value their opinion if I were you. It's not a shame to be wrong about something, I've found many "fossils" like these myself when I started collecting, some were of even more suggestive shapes - I've had something that looked just like a bone, even had the sponge-like structure inside (although this could be seen only on a very small part), but it has been identified as some sort of mineral (forgot which one exactly, it was a long time ago). I still kept the "bone" as a lesson, and also because it looks interesting. But I know it's not a fossil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missourian Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 That Egg McMuffin posted above is making me hungry. McD's opens in a couple of hours.... Context is critical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down under fossil hunter Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 That Egg McMuffin posted above is making me hungry. McD's opens in a couple of hours.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NetDoc Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 This has been an interesting discussion for me to read. I commend the forum veterans on their patience and tact. I understand the need to find important fossils. There is a similar need among divers to find substantive ship wrecks. The closer you are to a find, the more you need to listen to others. The German sub that was shown to me years ago was nothing more than a large pipe. The pile of ballast rock from a Spanish Galleon was only a collection of tumbled coral. I was unable to convince either of these intrepid explorers of their mistakes. None of the pictures shown look like fossils to me. Unfortunately, it's impossible to reason with unreasonable people. Minds that are already made up have a tendency to dismiss the facts and they often intimidate those around them who have the facts. At this point, I would assume that the good scientists are afraid of confronting dinolol with the truth. Perhaps he can pass on the task of contacting them and allow one of the other members to ask the paleontologists for him. They might be more forthcoming with a less assertive individual. Pete "NetDoc" Murray Scuba Instructor/Trainer/Evaluator NetDoc@ScubaBoard.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Kosmoceras, I have been to a palaeontologist, I am still waiting on a answer 4 months latter. In your opinion, why 4 months after having subjected your "fossils" the paleontologist didn't still give his answer ? Because he doesn't know what they are or because he understood that you aren't really able to listen to the thruth ? Here are great TFF specialists of fossils had the courage to answer you, to give their explanations, and to write you "slowly" not to shock your conviction. You are sure that your "fossils" are fossils, in spite of the notices of these warned amateurs. Why to continue to ask your questions if your are so sure of you ? You make an insult to all these people who take time to explain to you why you make a mistake. Your "fossils" aren't fossils. Then, if the paleontologist whom you saw doesn't give answer, go to see another one if you don't believe the answers of competent people of TFF ! It is not because you live in Australia and because we live somewhere else that we can't have a reliable opinion ! The geology and the paleontology are universal ! I admire you, the guy who have patience and to continue to give your answers. Perhaps a time we need to write a "serious" subject with all our "fossils" which remind us real fossils, by explaining why they aren't, and what they are really ! It could be of a great utility and we could make it read by all these sceptics. I am so saddened for the annoyed tone which I use, but when that lasts too long, it is too much ! Coco ---------------------- OUTIL POUR MESURER VOS FOSSILES : ici Ma bibliothèque PDF 1 (Poissons et sélaciens récents & fossiles) : ici Ma bibliothèque PDF 2 (Animaux vivants - sans poissons ni sélaciens) : ici Mâchoires sélaciennes récentes : ici Hétérodontiques et sélaciens : ici Oeufs sélaciens récents : ici Otolithes de poissons récents ! ici Un Greg... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosmoceras Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Kosmoceras, I have been to a palaeontologist, I am still waiting on a answer 4 months latter. You do not have to be sorry for me about what you think (a bit presumptuous of you) may offend me. And I don't know why you would say that for anyway. I would feel just the same, if they are fossils or not, but would you feel the same if you are wrong. By the way, all fossils are stones and concretions are often much harder, more resistant to erosion than the surrounding rocks. Concretions can form around animal and plant remains, perfectly fossilising them. So, how would they look when they finally erode out. But maybe you would not see them in the midst of other rocks. By saying “sorry” I was just being polite, and no, I am not in any way as experienced as Richard Owen, just what I use as my profile picture, I do not see how mentioning that helps aid the dying topic. Regards, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cris Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Perhaps a time we need to write a "serious" subject with all our "fossils" which remind us real fossils, by explaining why they aren't, and what they are really ! It could be of a great utility and we could make it read by all these sceptics. I agree with this, big time...It would be nice to reference a very well written tutorial on how to tell the difference, complete with rocks that look very much like fossils, but aren't. I just edited a bunch of insults out of this topic and warned the poster of them. If this thread is to stay open, it needs to remain civil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
painshill Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Let’s be honest here. All the valid points from the world of science have already been well-made. There is no further merit in having more points from the world of fantasy, except for their amusement value. Dinolol: I note that you responded to the “mud-slinging” (in kind). But you didn’t respond to my offer to post pictures of your “specimens” to a place where you might be more convinced that what you have are not fossils… such as the Queensland museum… if you are too busy to do it yourself. I would also point out that there are professional palaeontologists here on this site too, as well as a wealth of other experience from many years of collecting which hasn’t dissuaded you from your opinions. I suspect that – even if museum experts were to tell you what we’re telling you – you will have some counter-arguments along the lines of: “they wouldn’t be able to see from pictures what I can see in my hand” or “well they didn’t recognise my fossils because they’re such rare items” or “these are new to science” or some other such nonsense. There’s a big difference between genuinely wanting to have an expert opinion on your finds (you clearly don’t) and wanting someone, somewhere to agree with your isolated and mistaken view that you’ve found exquisitely rare soft-tissue fossils (which is clearly your agenda). I would suggest closing this thread unless there is some real indication from dinolol that he is objectively pursuing an unbiased opinion which will be accepted when it arrives. I hate to say it but, personally, I’m not convinced that specimens (which would be the world’s rarest fossils if they are what dinolol claims) have been sitting for 4 months with an (unspecified) expert who is “too busy” to give any feedback beyond “don’t call us, we'll call you” as stated. Roger I keep six honest serving-men (they taught me all I knew);Their names are What and Why and When and How and Where and Who [Rudyard Kipling] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THobern Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 If you want an answer, make an appointment with a paleontologist and take them to the geology department at U. Wollongong/U. Syd/UNSW/U. Macquarie/ANU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichW9090 Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Although it has been my professional experience that non-fossils from any one locality in the world look pretty much like non-fossils from any other locality. The plural of "anecdote" is not "evidence". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 (edited) Yes I have 3 times and they say he has been too busy and may have to get a second opinion. They also said not to call or e-mail, that they would contact me.* To paraphrase the above emboldened line: "Dont call us,... we'll call you. " Isn't this a classic brush off? I am sorry Dinolol, but once again, your ideas and claims do not seem to be gaining any traction here. I do wish you the best of luck in identifying what you have found. Regards, *Emphasis is mine. Edited January 31, 2013 by Fossildude19 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 'Dinolol' is no longer a member of the Forum. "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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