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Posted 25 July 2012 - 10:17 AM

026.JPG This is a petrified fig I found in mid south Queesland

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 10:34 AM

028.JPG 029.JPG Two pic's of the one specimen and it looks like a nut.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 10:47 AM

030.JPG 031.JPG Two pic's of the one specimen and again it looks like another type of nut.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 10:55 AM

I'm sorry, but I'm really not seeing petrified seeds here... or even fossils. I'm seeing vaguely (large) seed-shaped rocks with some surface patterns and erosion. Am I missing something?

So as not to corrupt this thread, I am posting the fossil fruit I mentioned earlier in this thread as a separate post under the title "Fossil Fruit?" in the ID section.

[Addition: apologies, I take some of that back. I inadvertently loaded page 1 of this thread and was commenting on the pics at the bottom of that page, not the pics here on page 2 which are much more interesting!]

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 11:31 AM

033.JPG 034.JPG 035.JPG 036.JPG Can anyone put a name to this seed. The two bigger pic's, are about it's actual size in reality.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 12:09 PM

At painshill; yes, the first pic I put on do look like what you say. But they are fossilised fruit.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 12:32 PM

These all appear to me to be stones which have been weathered/water-tumbled into suggestive shapes; I see no features that suggest an organic origin for any of them. Sorry.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 07:10 PM

At Auspex, I have already shown two of these specimens to a palaeontologist, he did not just see stones. He was amazed to see how well they had fossilised. But he had the advantage of seeing them in reality and he also said that they were formed from chert. So which of these weather beaten stones, do you think, was the ones he was looking at and it saddens me to think that a man with 40 years experience could be so wrong. Can you show me examples of your petrified fruit, so I know what to look for in the future.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 07:13 PM

At Auspex, I have already shown two of these specimens to a palaeontologist, he did not just see stones. He was amazed to see how well they had fossilised. But he had the advantage of seeing them in reality. So which of these weather beaten stones, do you think, was the ones he was looking at.


To whom did you show them?

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 07:48 PM

...I have already shown two of these specimens to a palaeontologist, he did not just see stones...

Did he say what he thought they were? Did he also authenticate the object in your avatar, which you purport to be "a mummified petrified head of small rapter. It maybe the head of a archaeopteryx or a microrapter, it has feathers under it's neck"?
I'm sorry, but you must understand that these are all extraordinary claims, and require extraordinary proof.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 08:43 PM

046.JPG 047.JPG He is a private man, like yourself THobern. I do not give out information and names on people. Sorry about that. Auspex, sorry that they are extraordinary claims but they are true. It may not be a Archaeopteryx or a microrapter, but it is the mummified petrified head of a little dionsaur and it is only about 100 mm long. Here are two pic's for you to look at and in the first one I am pointing at it's eye. The second one I am pointing at it's beak, which has teeth. You can see the feathers under it's neck.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 08:54 PM

I can understand why you might think so, but this is, unequivocally, not a mummified petrified head of a little dinosaur. It is an interesting rock with suggestive shapes, what is called a pseudofossil. You seem to already have your mind made up, but please, take it, and your "fruit", to an actual museum with an actual paleontologist on staff, and learn the truth.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 10:21 PM

046.JPG 047.JPG He is a private man, like yourself THobern. I do not give out information and names on people. Sorry about that. Auspex, sorry that they are extraordinary claims but they are true. It may not be a Archaeopteryx or a microrapter, but it is the mummified petrified head of a little dionsaur and it is only about 100 mm long. Here are two pic's for you to look at and in the first one I am pointing at it's eye. The second one I am pointing at it's beak, which has teeth. You can see the feathers under it's neck.


When you say 'private', do you mean that he is values his privacy, or is a private citizen? Is he a professional paleontologist at an New South Wales/ACT musuem or University?

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 04:15 AM

When you say 'private', do you mean that he is values his privacy, or is a private citizen? Is he a professional paleontologist at an New South Wales/ACT musuem or University?

You ask a lot of questions, but I will say this, he values his privacy. If you dont like my fossils just ignore me, but I do have even better than these ones and I will post them for you to look over. Then you can criticize them and use me as a whipping post. But I am not here to humliate anyone or to say I know more than you. You are most probably an expert in your field. All the best to you.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 04:32 AM

Hi,

I am always so surprised when a new member joins on TFF to ask for identifications of the fact that he believes to be a fossil. Your stone is not manifestly a fossil, but a rock which looks like, as said by the members who preceded me on this subject.

Why to come to ask of what it is on a valuable forum, with many specialists worldwide, and of refuting what we say to you? If you KNOW about what it is, why to ask? If you are certain of what you have, you are certain !

How say the others, thus visit a real paleontologist among whom it is the job, to have an idea "of professional" because you refuse our explanations !

You ask a question and we answer, because many of us are more than 30 or 40 years old of paleontology experience. On no account you were humbled. We are also (and especially) there to share our knowledge, not to laugh us of people like you who ask questions. No question is stupid, any question deserves to be put, even yours, but have the wisdom to listen to those who take time to answer you.

Sorry if my comments are direct, but my answer is like your behavior. And my language is not English, then I hope to have been rather clear to be well understood. I made many efforts to answer you !

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 05:15 AM

You ask a lot of questions, but I will say this, he values his privacy. If you dont like my fossils just ignore me, but I do have even better than these ones and I will post them for you to look over. Then you can criticize them and use me as a whipping post. But I am not here to humliate anyone or to say I know more than you. You are most probably an expert in your field. All the best to you.


I asked because you ignored our identifications by saying that it had been identified in the flesh. I asked by whom, as any actual paleontologist would be happy to stand by their identification; because of your location, I expected I would know or know of them.

Regardless of whether the person actually exists, those aren't fossils.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 08:23 AM

Interestingly, someone with the forum ID of “dinolol” posted this message on the Australian site “DigItUp” in November last year, in response to the site administrator’s question: “Got a favourite dinosaur? Tell us about it here!!”, which I reproduce verbatim.

>>>I have a number of favourite dinosaurs. The two that are my most favourite (at the moment) are microraptor or archaeopteryx. My reason for two favourites, is that I have found a mummified petrified head of a little dinosaur and could be one of the two above. But this is only my opinion and this specimen may only be another branch of the tree. I had source my opinion from "Feathered Dinosaurs, The Origin Of Birds by John Long and Peter Schouten". My name for this specimen, last look raptor. When I was examinng this little dinosaur, I noticed that it's head had been bitten off, also this little dinosaur had feathers under it's neck, but on top of it's head the feathers had fallen away exposing the skull. I also have pic's of this little dionsaur. Thank you for allowing me to express my opinion on my favourite dinosaurs.<<<

There were no pictures and the post has not (to date) received any replies.

I don’t know whether this was your post or not, but – if it was – then I would suggest that self-assessment (comparing an item to pictures in a book by a respected expert) is not quite the same thing as having an expert opinion, unless the specimen was subsequently inspected by that expert.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 08:23 PM

Interestingly, someone with the forum ID of “dinolol” posted this message on the Australian site “DigItUp” in November last year, in response to the site administrator’s question: “Got a favourite dinosaur? Tell us about it here!!”, which I reproduce verbatim.>>>I have a number of favourite dinosaurs. The two that are my most favourite (at the moment) are microraptor or archaeopteryx. My reason for two favourites, is that I have found a mummified petrified head of a little dinosaur and could be one of the two above. But this is only my opinion and this specimen may only be another branch of the tree. I had source my opinion from "Feathered Dinosaurs, The Origin Of Birds by John Long and Peter Schouten". My name for this specimen, last look raptor. When I was examinng this little dinosaur, I noticed that it's head had been bitten off, also this little dinosaur had feathers under it's neck, but on top of it's head the feathers had fallen away exposing the skull. I also have pic's of this little dionsaur. Thank you for allowing me to express my opinion on my favourite dinosaurs.<<<There were no pictures and the post has not (to date) received any replies.I don’t know whether this was your post or not, but – if it was – then I would suggest that self-assessment (comparing an item to pictures in a book by a respected expert) is not quite the same thing as having an expert opinion, unless the specimen was subsequently inspected by that expert.

Yes, I wrote what you have reproduced. I did say it was only my opinion and I did not say I was an expert. I don't know what is with my life but I have also see a monitor lizard in Australia N.S.W., east coast, that is suppose to be extinct. But I have seen one and with a witness. I have been trying to find that lizard over the past 35 years, to get a pic of it or find evidence of it to no avail. Now, I wonder to myself how could such a large lizard live in a fairly populated area with out being seen by anyone, as there most be a number of them, as to perpetuate it's numbers. The only other story that I have heard is that some guy in Queesland was supposed to have been kill by a large moitor Lizard, that no one has seen. I am going to post more fossilised fruit and nuts, as soon as I take more pic's of what I have in my collection. I also have fossil turtles, other dinosaur heads, coprolites and many dinosaur parts. But I am going to ask you a question, how much field work have you done? And if you wish to make a name for yourself in the palaeo world, I will send you one of my fossils so that you can look at it in reality and I may take you to one of my sites. I suppose it has to do with context, if I gave you a dead cat and said to you, what killed it, you would say to me many things could have kill it. But if I said to you in situ context, that the cat had been found in the middle of the road, you would say to me that it was most probably run over by a car, context gentlemen. I could be a great asset to you or if you think not, just ignore me.

Edited by dinolol, 26 July 2012 - 08:26 PM.


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Posted 26 July 2012 - 08:38 PM

I could not go back in to edit my work, that is; must be a number of them and the other is killed. thank you.

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 08:48 PM

Hi,

I am always so surprised when a new member joins on TFF to ask for identifications of the fact that he believes to be a fossil. Your stone is not manifestly a fossil, but a rock which looks like, as said by the members who preceded me on this subject.

Why to come to ask of what it is on a valuable forum, with many specialists worldwide, and of refuting what we say to you? If you KNOW about what it is, why to ask? If you are certain of what you have, you are certain !

How say the others, thus visit a real paleontologist among whom it is the job, to have an idea "of professional" because you refuse our explanations !

You ask a question and we answer, because many of us are more than 30 or 40 years old of paleontology experience. On no account you were humbled. We are also (and especially) there to share our knowledge, not to laugh us of people like you who ask questions. No question is stupid, any question deserves to be put, even yours, but have the wisdom to listen to those who take time to answer you.

Sorry if my comments are direct, but my answer is like your behavior. And my language is not English, then I hope to have been rather clear to be well understood. I made many efforts to answer you !

Coco

Your translator has made this sound a little bit confused. I am sure you mean well. Have a good day madam.




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