ckmerlin Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 going way out on a limb here but could it be Eurypterid species ? , I think they were around from Silurian to Permian , maybe curled up with some limbs missing ..... probably way of the mark "A man who stares at a rock must have a lot on his mind... or nothing at all' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 (edited) My edited version of image in reply 50 Edited August 29, 2011 by Indy Flash from the Past (Show Us Your Fossils)MAPS Fossil Show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 no those are not segments, only a place where the original shell is missing... So the shell is built up in several layers? It at least appears in a couple photos that this might be the case. "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 (edited) fossil dude ... I understand more than you might realize because I've lived it! There is a story here that starts with the sediments and ends with the fossils. Not the other way around. Understanding the sediments (environment) adds a lot of information which answers many questions about "why" we are seeing "Mega" robust and often "different" fossils from the locality. Briefly mentioned earlier in discussion...we are dealing with an IDEAL nutritionally rich "Low energy" environment producing larger than average fauna. The posted snails are high quality and larger than average. As time goes on...we are going to see more fossils with qualities attributed to the Ideal environment. There are reasons for fossil dude's enthusiasm and sometimes frustrations, trying to communicate what he has been collecting is "different" and unusual. I would venture a guess that some may be undescribed and or at the very least seldom seen. The fossils were preserved in soft "shale" not limestone. The excellent preservation is due to the environment. The creatures were wrapped in soft vegetation in an low energy environment resulting in HQ fossils today “plucked” from the soft shale. The shale (obviously) at this locality is soft and turns to what some say "mud" when wet. So, unlike fossils found in limestone, prep is often just a tooth brush and water. fossil dude....I understand. My Pennsylvanian research locality is similar in the fact that it also represents a nutritionally rich environment. Most of the collected HQ fossils were also collected from the "soft" shale. As proven in a couple of my previous posts... I too will be showcasing some high quality fossils that most don't find at other Pennsylvanian localities or if found not with HQ preservation. Trust me...I know from experience, there is just flat no way to use words alone to convince people that your locality and collected fossils are unique...The only way to communicate such information is by posting the fossils you have collected. In time, even Ray Charles would be able to see clearly the fossils are unique. So.... fossil dude, do you think I understand? Barry Edited August 29, 2011 by Indy Flash from the Past (Show Us Your Fossils)MAPS Fossil Show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fossil dude Posted August 29, 2011 Author Share Posted August 29, 2011 fossil dude ... I understand more than you might realize because I've lived it! There is a story here that starts with the sediments and ends with the fossils. Not the other way around. Understanding the sediments (environment) adds a lot of information which answers many questions about "why" we are seeing "Mega" robust and often "different" fossils from the locality. Briefly mentioned earlier in discussion...we are dealing with an IDEAL nutritionally rich "Low energy" environment producing larger than average fauna. The posted snails are high quality and larger than average. As time goes on...we are going to see more fossils with qualities attributed to the Ideal environment. There are reasons for fossil dude's enthusiasm and sometimes frustrations, trying to communicate what he has been collecting is "different" and unusual. I would venture a guess that some may be undescribed and or at the very least seldom seen. The fossils were preserved in soft "shale" not limestone. The excellent preservation is due to the environment. The creatures were wrapped in soft vegetation in an low energy environment resulting in HQ fossils today "plucked" from the soft shale. The shale (obviously) at this locality is soft and turns to what some say "mud" when wet. So, unlike fossils found in limestone, prep is often just a tooth brush and water. fossil dude....I understand. My Pennsylvanian research locality is similar in the fact that it also represents a nutritionally rich environment. Most of the collected HQ fossils were also collected from the "soft" shale. As proven in a couple of my previous posts... I too will be showcasing some high quality fossils that most don't find at other Pennsylvanian localities or if found not with HQ preservation. Trust me...I know from experience, there is just flat no way to use words alone to convince people that your locality and collected fossils are unique...The only way to communicate such information is by posting the fossils you have collected. In time, even Ray Charles would be able to see clearly the fossils are unique. So.... fossil dude, do you think I understand? Barry barry i think you are a true friend, to me and the fossil world, yes it is frustrating trying to get people to get serious about getting the correct genera for all the fossils, i plan on making a pictoral history of pittsburgh county, okla fossil record, as this has never been done, its a big undertaking for me as i have never published anything, i certainly don't want to publish a fossil under a wrong genera, i post these fossils to get the correct genera for them, not to brag about my collection, God bless, friend gerald Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas-Tunnel Rat Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Barry, I want to say. Thank you, I wish I could eventually be wise like you. That was a real nice pep talk for everyone here. PUBLICATIONS Dallas Paleontology Society Occasional Papers Vol. 9 2011 "Pennsylvanian Stratigraphy and Paleoecology of Outcrops in Jacksboro, Texas" Author Texas Paleontology Society Feb, 2011 "Index Fossils and You" A primer on how to utilize fossils to assist in relative age dating strata" Author Quotes "Beer, Bacon, and Bivalves!" "Say NO to illegal fossil buying / selling" "They belong in a museum." Education Associates of Science - 2011 Bachelors of Science (Geology & Biology) - 2012 est. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thair Posted August 29, 2011 Share Posted August 29, 2011 Hey fossil dude I think that fossil is cool. I will look thru my stuff the next few days and see if I can come up with any ideas. Also I see were you may be working on a reference document for your area. I have been trying to document the Penn fossils here in central TX for the last several years. Maybe we can compare notes sometime (or pictures). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fossil dude Posted August 30, 2011 Author Share Posted August 30, 2011 Hey fossil dude I think that fossil is cool. I will look thru my stuff the next few days and see if I can come up with any ideas. Also I see were you may be working on a reference document for your area. I have been trying to document the Penn fossils here in central TX for the last several years. Maybe we can compare notes sometime (or pictures). im always open for anything fossil, i love fossils, you know why there are fossils? because God wanted to show us his beauty in the past as well as now!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrangellian Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 Just found this thread... Wow, that's a fascinating item.. my first hunch, even before reading all the comments, tho' I am no expert in the Penn., was some kind of ammonoid or nautiloid, if not some kind of Bellerophon-type snail tho it seems kind of large for that but within the range of a cephalopod - also I notice that the spines are swept backward (if you think of the animal as facing rearward while swimming) - that would seem to make more sense than the opposite. Will be watching for more photos/comments, hoping it's something new you can put your name on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckmerlin Posted August 30, 2011 Share Posted August 30, 2011 (edited) Hi Fossil dude could it be a a spiny gastropod related to the Gastropod Platyceras arkonense (devonian) found this on previous forum post http://www.thefossilforum.com/index.php/topic/15405-yet-another-mystery-find-from-hungry-hollow/ Edited August 30, 2011 by ckmerlin "A man who stares at a rock must have a lot on his mind... or nothing at all' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fossil dude Posted August 30, 2011 Author Share Posted August 30, 2011 thanks ck merlin, your input was welcome and i'm glad we are friends, gracias Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 (edited) Recently I contact some professionals who are not members of this forum to review this thread and render their opinion. They basically said the same things and below is a summary. Names of those contributing will not be topic of discussion, on or off-list. Its really not important because they are not positively identifying the fossil. SUMMARY The fossil is very interesting but doesn't appear to be a mystery. Considering the size and shape and appearance of the shell, there is a 95% probability that it is a nautiloid. And it appears to be the final adult growth stage of something that is already known from its juvenile and young adult growth stage. The limited views presented and the lack of details of the shell make it hard to be sure. If the collector has several of these fossils and has collected for years in the place, there will be other portions of the fossil and there will be internal features that can be found. What the collector needs to do is to search for septa and siphuncle structures and to show more clearly how the projections form on the edge of the shell. While speculation is fun, wild guessing is little more than fantasy. The fossils are well enough preserved that it wouldn't take much work to determine a good identification, despite the partly crushed condition. Even the highest quality imaging may not result in positive identification. These fossils should be examined in person to determine identification. . Edited August 31, 2011 by Indy Flash from the Past (Show Us Your Fossils)MAPS Fossil Show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fossil dude Posted August 31, 2011 Author Share Posted August 31, 2011 (edited) thanks indy, i know it took time and effort from you to obtain this report, i deeply appreciate it, you are a true friend and even though i have not met you i know we would be friends, come see me, i mean that sincerely, i would like to show you the site these fossils come from, if you can get away i'm available, God bless! oh yes i have small baby sized editions of this very same fossil, there is no difference except size!!!!and yes i would travel some distance to show these fossil to someone who could make a determination, i think they are completely unknown to the fossil world, i call it mordorgrayensis. thanks to you all, happy fossil hunting and God bless! Edited August 31, 2011 by fossil dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 (edited) thanks indy, i know it took time and effort from you to obtain this report, i deeply appreciate it, you are a true friend and even though i have not met you i know we would be friends, come see me, i mean that sincerely, i would like to show you the site these fossils come from, if you can get away i'm available, God bless! oh yes i have small baby sized editions of this very same fossil, there is no difference except size!!!!and yes i would travel some distance to show these fossil to someone who could make a determination, i think they are completely unknown to the fossil world, i call it mordorgrayensis. thanks to you all, happy fossil hunting and God bless! I have a friend who could probably ID your fossils and he lives in OK He is one of the Professionals I talked with the other day. He even said that he would be interested in seeing the fossil (all of them) in person. He mentioned even the best photography doesn't show 3-D. So PM me...and we will discuss the details off-list Barry Edited August 31, 2011 by Indy Flash from the Past (Show Us Your Fossils)MAPS Fossil Show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyguy784 Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Hi Fossil dude could it be a a spiny gastropod related to the Gastropod Platyceras arkonense (devonian) found this on previous forum post http://www.thefossilforum.com/index.php/topic/15405-yet-another-mystery-find-from-hungry-hollow/ Just between you and me, I think you got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Hi Fossil dude could it be a a spiny gastropod related to the Gastropod Platyceras arkonense (devonian) found this on previous forum post http://www.thefossilforum.com/index.php/topic/15405-yet-another-mystery-find-from-hungry-hollow/ Yup, very promising! "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trilobiteruss Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Yup, very promising! Interesting discussion. Working 34 years in the Penn of Illinois at the Geological Survey Coal Section I have never seen a fossil like this one. I think it looks molluscan, and either it is a nautaloid of some kind or maybe a spiny gastropod like this picture. NIce to see odd fossils that stump us all and get our brains whirring!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Working 34 years in the Penn of Illinois at the Geological Survey Coal Section I have never seen a fossil like this one... Hey, Russ... You want to make a side bet on time to ID of this fossil? Lets say with in 10 days...OK? I go first...I bet an ID with in the next 10 days. Your Turn Flash from the Past (Show Us Your Fossils)MAPS Fossil Show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trilobiteruss Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 Hey, Russ... You want to make a side bet on time to ID of this fossil? Lets say with in 10 days...OK? I go first...I bet an ID with in the next 10 days. Your Turn I am sure our friend in OK will ID as soon as he can look at after all that is the major kind of stuff he collects (ammonites, nautiloids and all). Time depends on when he gets to see it. If he is seeing before end of 10 days then it will be ID'd by that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeoJon Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 i found this old baby in a pennsylvanian era formation in s/e oklahoma, it's 9 in. long and 7 in. wide, it has two projections, one on each side, it appears it used these projections to move itself on the bottom of the sea, i would send more photos but they are all to large, any info would be appreciated! thanks, this is my first upload, i hope it is right,if anyone sees this would they please let me know, thanks Looks kinda like a horseshoe crab to me, too. I'm not an expert on these things, tho. Bring it to a specialist, maybe. Pretty neat, what ever it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas-Tunnel Rat Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 Indy, I would be more than euthusied to see what the experts say. PUBLICATIONS Dallas Paleontology Society Occasional Papers Vol. 9 2011 "Pennsylvanian Stratigraphy and Paleoecology of Outcrops in Jacksboro, Texas" Author Texas Paleontology Society Feb, 2011 "Index Fossils and You" A primer on how to utilize fossils to assist in relative age dating strata" Author Quotes "Beer, Bacon, and Bivalves!" "Say NO to illegal fossil buying / selling" "They belong in a museum." Education Associates of Science - 2011 Bachelors of Science (Geology & Biology) - 2012 est. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckmerlin Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 Id very much like to see what the report says also Im hoping it is something new and I am keeping my fingers crossed for you "A man who stares at a rock must have a lot on his mind... or nothing at all' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckmerlin Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 (edited) Hi found this today on search engine could yours be related to this Cooperoceras in thumbnail attached Edited September 1, 2011 by ckmerlin "A man who stares at a rock must have a lot on his mind... or nothing at all' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fossil dude Posted September 1, 2011 Author Share Posted September 1, 2011 that cooperoceras is getting closer, thanks for the post , i think we will all know soon, i will let you know as soon as i get something, God bless you all and happy hunting!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fossil dude Posted September 1, 2011 Author Share Posted September 1, 2011 here is what i think: it has no compartments or chambers , it has a large fleshy foot and the two spines are legs, i think he walked along the bottom of the sea searching for flora and fauna which is very abundant at this site, the legs are hinged i believe he could twitch one leg at a time, so therefore he walked, maybe the missing link, the first to have two legs and could walk, evolving into the first to learn to live on land and walk, i have a name picked out for it "mordorgrayensis" just wishful thinking? we should be able to tell soon, stay posted, God bless and happy hunting!!!!!!!!!! oh yes i think these animals are what brought the petalodus shark to this site, they were big and tasty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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