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#1 quacksmacker

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 06:56 PM

Hello. I am looking for some opinions regarding the identification of some skulls we found. We excavated 26 skulls thus far this winter. They have been buried in gravel, underwater. Most the research I have done suggests to me that the majority of our skulls are of the ancienct variety. Please view and I would appreciate any input. Thanks.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 07:43 PM

Only 26. You should try a different spot.


(Just kidding, that skull is awesome)

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 07:49 PM

Very cool. Are they fossilized?

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 08:05 PM

That's one beautiful skull. Any chance of a group shot of them all?

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 10:24 PM

Amazing! Theirs been no other bones found in association to these skulls?

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 11:00 PM

Bison antiquus - The extinct Ice Age Bison is what you have in the picture. Are all 26 skulls as nice as this one?

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 02:33 AM

26 skulls in one area? Wow! As mentioned in an earlier post, have you found any other bones?

With 26 skulls in one area, it sounds like a "group kill" similar to the mammoth dig site in Waco, TX. If I recall, they've recovered 21 mammoths and 1 camel from this site. They believe they were feeding in a low area when a flash flood hit and they were unable to escape.

Please keep us posted as to your progress.

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 07:47 AM

That is a fantastic skull!! And you have 25 more? I'd be excited to get a tooth!

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 09:09 AM

Wow!!! Love it! That's a really, really nice skull.

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 10:09 AM

Pristine preservation for a Pleistocene bison skull :wub:
The skull was buried...OK, I get it. However, does that in of itself explain
the outstanding preservation??? The skull obviously is not recent but
the preservation is so good...it has a recent appearance :blink:
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Posted 17 January 2012 - 10:24 AM

The skulls are very heavy. I believe I can say they are fossilized. I will post some more pics. I have probably a dozen or more in condition similiar to the one shown. I understand bison, even the modern bison, were and are heavy drinkers. Therefore, it was quite common for them to fall through the ice in the winter months when a large group would try to get water at the same time. There are many bones in the area. I could easily gather well over a hundred.

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 10:32 AM

Referring to Pleistocene specimens as fossils is understood. However,
they are not "true fossils" but the original bone and in most cases are
"heavy" because of mineralization.

Just a matter of terminology...We all understand :)

I'm just curious as to the pristine preservation of this Pleistocene skull
Probably a question for other members

Edited by Indy, 17 January 2012 - 10:44 AM.

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 11:37 AM

Could you elaborate please. As I understand it, animal or plant remains, whether per/mineralised or not, over 10,000 years old, are fossils.


Referring to Pleistocene specimens as fossils is understood. However,
they are not "true fossils"
but the original bone and in most cases are
"heavy" because of mineralization.

Just a matter of terminology...We all understand :)

I'm just curious as to the pristine preservation of this Pleistocene skull
Probably a question for other members


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Posted 17 January 2012 - 11:42 AM

Very nice by the way.
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Posted 17 January 2012 - 12:01 PM

Could you elaborate please. As I understand it, animal or plant remains, whether
per/mineralised or not, over 10,000 years old, are fossils.

Definitional :)
What about a specimen that is 9,000 years old?
How can you tell if a specimen is 9,500 or 10,200 years old ?
How old is the bison skull?
Fossil per Wiki is defined over 10,000 years of age: Link

Edited by Indy, 17 January 2012 - 12:34 PM.

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 12:41 PM

Pleistocene ended 10,000 years ago and Bison antiqqus went extinct or "evolved" into Bison bison. Over 10,000 years fossil, 9,999 years, old.

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 12:47 PM

Could have stuck foot in my mouth
I know that I have done that before
because I've seen me do it :D

Bison antiquus is over 10,000 years old...Cool
Does anyone else find the preservation remarkable ?

Edited by Indy, 17 January 2012 - 01:00 PM.

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 01:22 PM

Does anyone else find the preservation remarkable ?


Yep. I find pretty much everything about it remakable :). Very cool find and I too would love to see a group shot of all of the skulls.

Also, me thinks that the background of your last image is impressive as well, I've seen guides with less rods on their walls than that ... then again maybe you are a guide. ;)
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Posted 17 January 2012 - 01:25 PM

Ok just saw the new pic with six of the skulls in it, which is just too cool! However, It looks uneven. I would recomend sending one of the skulls to me to even out the top row :)
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Posted 17 January 2012 - 01:58 PM

Indy - Yes, the preservation is great, but really not that unusual for a bog-type preservation. Most of the fossils we find on the river sandbars look as good as these when they first wash out, but we don't get to find them until they bounce around for a few miles. In this case, he got lucky and found the source. Amazing!!

Could have stuck foot in my mouth
I know that I have done that before
because I've seen me do it :D

Bison antiquus is over 10,000 years old...Cool
Does anyone else find the preservation remarkable ?





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