fossiladdict Posted July 19, 2012 Author Share Posted July 19, 2012 They appear to be the cutting (incisor) teeth from a pycnodont-like fish called Hadrodus. Not 100% sure, but that's the conclusion thus far. Thanks Roz for giving me contact info for Mike. Fossils are simply one of the coolest things on earth--discovering them is just marvelous! Makes you all giddy inside! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roz Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 You are welcome, Lyla.. If it is Hadrodus, I am thinking a new one then. At what point does it become pretty sure that it's a new one and things can proceed from there? Does anyone know? I am not sure how that would work in this case.. Welcome to the forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 What is the nearest museum with comparative material in their collections? "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fossiladdict Posted July 19, 2012 Author Share Posted July 19, 2012 What is the nearest museum with comparative material in their collections? That's a good question- Mike is out of Kansas and was comparing to finds from Kansas. I'm in an area where there's not a lot of studying going on other than size comparison (correct me if I'm wrong folks). Dallas has their museums, but I'm not sure they would have studies from my area. Kansas has some of the same formations etc. so it's comparable. Fossils are simply one of the coolest things on earth--discovering them is just marvelous! Makes you all giddy inside! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fossiljunkie Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 excited about this thread.hopefully we'll have is soon. Today's the day! Mel Fisher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Posted July 20, 2012 Share Posted July 20, 2012 I'd doubt Hadrodus because, as I understand it, Hadrodus is known from its brachial rather than oral teeth and the ones in question are definitely oral. Since Hadrodus is a pycnodont and the posted teeth also seem to be, the oral teeth would likely look pretty similar - it's just that I don't think Hadrodus oral teeth have definitely been described. Try contacting Jürgen Kriwet (Vienna, Austria) - he's a pycnodont expert: http://www.fish-rese...t_Lab/Home.html Also, try Kenshu Shimada (Chicago, IL) - he has worked on fossil sharks of the Mancos Shale and has written up pycnodont teeth like these: http://csh.depaul.ed...es/shimada.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fossiladdict Posted July 21, 2012 Author Share Posted July 21, 2012 Carl: Thanks for the info- I have emailed them both to see if they may have any ideas. Fossils are simply one of the coolest things on earth--discovering them is just marvelous! Makes you all giddy inside! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullsnake Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Very cool find! Can't wait for the results! Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fossiladdict Posted July 30, 2012 Author Share Posted July 30, 2012 Well I'm still trying to figure out what these teeth belong to. The gentleman from Austria doesn't think they are pycnodont teeth either and does not have a clue to date. I have not heard back from the gentleman from IL. Anyone else have any suggestions as to who I might contact? Fossils are simply one of the coolest things on earth--discovering them is just marvelous! Makes you all giddy inside! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullsnake Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 No contact suggestions, but could they be pathological? Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siteseer Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 You might look for Jean-Pierre Biddle, a French paleontologist with an interest in Albian-age fossils. Well I'm still trying to figure out what these teeth belong to. The gentleman from Austria doesn't think they are pycnodont teeth either and does not have a clue to date. I have not heard back from the gentleman from IL. Anyone else have any suggestions as to who I might contact? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fossiladdict Posted July 30, 2012 Author Share Posted July 30, 2012 I can't find any contact info on Jean-Pierre Biddle. Fossils are simply one of the coolest things on earth--discovering them is just marvelous! Makes you all giddy inside! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Jean-Pierre had his own forum on which he put his works, but it is not on-line any more for several years. I met him once at least 5 years ago, and I don't know what he became since. Coco ---------------------- OUTIL POUR MESURER VOS FOSSILES : ici Ma bibliothèque PDF 1 (Poissons et sélaciens récents & fossiles) : ici Ma bibliothèque PDF 2 (Animaux vivants - sans poissons ni sélaciens) : ici Mâchoires sélaciennes récentes : ici Hétérodontiques et sélaciens : ici Oeufs sélaciens récents : ici Otolithes de poissons récents ! ici Un Greg... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Fossil Hound Posted August 4, 2012 Share Posted August 4, 2012 What an amazing find! Please keep posting as you learn more. I have never seen anything like it. Jon "Silence is Golden, but duct tape is Silver." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fossiladdict Posted August 21, 2012 Author Share Posted August 21, 2012 Well so far everyone I have contacted has no clue (or has not responded). Anyone else have any contacts? Fossils are simply one of the coolest things on earth--discovering them is just marvelous! Makes you all giddy inside! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Well so far everyone I have contacted has no clue (or has not responded). Anyone else have any contacts? Lyla, Have you tried John G. Maiseyat the AMNH? I believe Roz and Bobwill had luck contacting him. Hope this is helpful. Regards, Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fossiladdict Posted August 21, 2012 Author Share Posted August 21, 2012 Lyla, Have you tried John G. Maiseyat the AMNH? I believe Roz and Bobwill had luck contacting him. Hope this is helpful. Regards, I did now, thanks! Fossils are simply one of the coolest things on earth--discovering them is just marvelous! Makes you all giddy inside! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiphactinus Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 You might also try Dr. Hans-Peter Schultze at the University of Kansas. He's a fossil fish expert. http://biodiversity.ku.edu/hans-peter-schultze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramo Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 I just realized that your teeth look kind of like the Pharyngeal teeth I have from a grass carp. I don't know how long pharyngeal teeth have been around, but I think most of the minnow family have them. (By "your teeth" I mean the teeth you found ) Ramo For one species to mourn the death of another is a new thing under the sun. -Aldo Leopold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fossiladdict Posted August 22, 2012 Author Share Posted August 22, 2012 I just realized that your teeth look kind of like the Pharyngeal teeth I have from a grass carp. I don't know how long pharyngeal teeth have been around, but I think most of the minnow family have them. (By "your teeth" I mean the teeth you found ) Ramo Hey I have some of those too Kind of similar but not so similar if that makes sense as there's really no ridges on the ones I found. John Maisey didn't have a clue. I will try to contact Dr. Schultze. Fossils are simply one of the coolest things on earth--discovering them is just marvelous! Makes you all giddy inside! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullsnake Posted August 22, 2012 Share Posted August 22, 2012 I just realized that your teeth look kind of like the Pharyngeal teeth I have from a grass carp. I don't know how long pharyngeal teeth have been around, but I think most of the minnow family have them. (By "your teeth" I mean the teeth you found ) Ramo I have some, also. Gave them to my son, though. That seemed plausible to me, too. It actually crossed my mind before, but I wasn't confident enough to post it. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fossiladdict Posted August 22, 2012 Author Share Posted August 22, 2012 Dr. Schultze didn't know either and he shared with another who didn't have a clue. They suggested perhaps Multituberculates but didn't like the layout of the teeth. Does anyone have contact for Ann Weil in Oklahoma? I found her contact info... Fossils are simply one of the coolest things on earth--discovering them is just marvelous! Makes you all giddy inside! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Posted August 23, 2012 Share Posted August 23, 2012 I would have to strongly disagree with multituberculate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fossiladdict Posted August 23, 2012 Author Share Posted August 23, 2012 I would have to strongly disagree with multituberculate. I agree...Ann said they were not. She again mentioned pycnodont. I have sent the pictures to a ton of individuals. Pycnodont is the one that people keep mentioning. Fossils are simply one of the coolest things on earth--discovering them is just marvelous! Makes you all giddy inside! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 If no one knows what it is, it must be a rudist! Whut? "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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