lamarr Posted December 16, 2012 Author Share Posted December 16, 2012 Try this new link hope you can open it now https://www.dropbox..../I_tI4l0G9s?m#/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgrilusHunter Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Hi lamarr, Those work great! What a beautiful site. I still can't make head or tails of the object. For the life of me I'd swear its a fossilized tree, something like a lycopod, I just can't be sure. It that a branch coming off of it in picture below? If it is a branch I think that would clinch it, I never heard of any geologic formation that would produce something like that. That said, I don't know a lot about geologic formations, so take it with a grain of salt. "They ... savoured the strange warm glow of being much more ignorant than ordinary people, who were only ignorant of ordinary things." -- Terry Pratchett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgrilusHunter Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Here are the rest of your images. "They ... savoured the strange warm glow of being much more ignorant than ordinary people, who were only ignorant of ordinary things." -- Terry Pratchett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamarr Posted December 16, 2012 Author Share Posted December 16, 2012 If you look at the site photo notice the cliff above and the debris below left of the stone boulder and right of the tree which is the site of this fossil?? which photo has the branch you see// the original?? or the last one?? no branches that i can tell!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrow Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 If you look at the site photo notice the cliff above and the debris below left of the stone boulder and right of the tree which is the site of this fossil?? which photo has the branch you see// the original?? or the last one?? no branches that i can tell!! Kinda looks like the stump of a branch sticking out the side in these two pics... Darrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgrilusHunter Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Hi lamarr What be this here? "They ... savoured the strange warm glow of being much more ignorant than ordinary people, who were only ignorant of ordinary things." -- Terry Pratchett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrangellian Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Well scratch my original speculation... My money is on fossil of some kind (tree), but I have been wrong lots of times.... It's kind of an odd, unfamiliar thing if it's artificial, and like AH has pointed out, it has been there for a while. I hope that site photo hasn't pinpointed the location to some unscrupulous person! If it is a fossil it deserves to be protected, either by moving it to a museum or building a shelter over it to protect from the elements though I guess even then it is susceptible to theft/vandalism.. Will be watching this thread for sure... with bells on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamarr Posted December 16, 2012 Author Share Posted December 16, 2012 Hi lamarr What be this here? i see what you mean. I may need to revisit site get snow shoveled away and photograph close up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgrilusHunter Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Hi lamarr, Your object is fascinating! If it is a fossil, its a special one that deserves protecting. It strikes me as odd that the rocks in the back ground of the image, and under the object, have both moss and lichens all over them, while the object of interest has only moss. How certain are you of the stoniness of this object? "They ... savoured the strange warm glow of being much more ignorant than ordinary people, who were only ignorant of ordinary things." -- Terry Pratchett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andreas Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Maybe I am wrong but my guess is manmade carving. Not more than 10-20 years old(since it was made or got free from moss)because of the little mossy surface. Maybe an artist has carved this in honour to Ogopogo, the Okanagan lake sea monster. If it is geologic the triangle pattern should be inside the rock too. I think it is a natural layer of a different colour embedded in the other rocks there that was used and carved by an "artist" for an "artwork"(maybe a hoax for tourists) The site with the wall looks frequented by man.(fireplace below) You mentioned it as a kind of silty stone. How hard is the object? Can you carve it with a normal knife? You mentioned volcanic rocks nearby. Could it be a tuffitic layer that has been carved by someone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgrilusHunter Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Hi andreas, This sounds like a reasonable explanation for what the pictures show. Until new images suggest otherwise I agree with man made carving. Especially because I can't find a report of other fossils resembling this from the area. Still cool though! "They ... savoured the strange warm glow of being much more ignorant than ordinary people, who were only ignorant of ordinary things." -- Terry Pratchett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Mystery solved LINK "Scenic Canyon has history back to the gold rush. The photo ‘etchings’ is one that I did not see last time I was in the canyon and intrigued me enough to take a picture. My guess is that it dates to the same era as the rock oven carving." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgrilusHunter Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Sweet! Nicely done pirahna! "They ... savoured the strange warm glow of being much more ignorant than ordinary people, who were only ignorant of ordinary things." -- Terry Pratchett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Mystery solved LINK The photo in the link of the item under discussion is tagged "petrified wood"; I have to wonder whether this is the definitive ID, or simply what the photographer thought it was... "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 The photo in the link of the item under discussion is tagged "petrified wood"; I have to wonder whether this is the definitive ID, or simply what the photographer thought it was... Click on properties to see the 'etchings' title. All of the photos have separate tags... from the description and tag, etching of petrified wood appears to be the obvious intent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrangellian Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Yes but people often put a label like that on things without knowing whether it's accurate... they just need a label. But I wonder about this 'rock oven carving' is, and am starting to think this is artificial too. It is the color of fired clay (=rock oven carving?). And I hadn't thought of the Ogopogo angle! Good thinking/sleuthing as always Scott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snolly50 Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 I am not convinced that because someone is a wonderful photographer it follows that they have specialized knowledge relevant to the original question. What does the label etching mean? It only raises more issues for me. Is the photographer's shot of the same object as the posters, or is it a similar object? I can't tell from the photo. That is, is there more than one? Close up photos and shots of the exposed end would be helpful. Examination under magnification in the field might also be helpful. Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, also are remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. - Douglas Adams, Last Chance to See Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 I am not convinced that because someone is a wonderful photographer it follows that they have specialized knowledge relevant to the original question. What does the label etching mean? It only raises more issues for me. Is the photographer's shot of the same object as the posters, or is it a similar object? I can't tell from the photo. That is, is there more than one? Close up photos and shots of the exposed end would be helpful. Examination under magnification in the field might also be helpful. I certainly wasn't inferring that the photographer has 'expert' knowledge. Just following up on an independent first-hand impression and a building consensus that the object is carved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truceburner Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Auspex's question still stands, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Obviously, no one here has seen a similar "Fossil" log in the field or on the Net. Other, than the image in the link Scott posted with an an image file name of "etching". The odds are (in my opinion) we are looking a man made object. The original posted image and the "etching" picture look almost like twins. I'll bet a buck the posted "mystery" is man made ... Would like to believe its an Extremely rare seldom if ever seen before "fossil" log. Hi, Scott My money is on your ID ... "etching" Flash from the Past (Show Us Your Fossils)MAPS Fossil Show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrangellian Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Mine too, now that I see the closeup - specifically, clay 'log' with triangular impressions and linear cuts made while wet, then fired. Original purpose: no idea! (Ogopogo makes sense) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snolly50 Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 I certainly wasn't inferring that the photographer has 'expert' knowledge. Just following up on an independent first-hand impression and a building consensus that the object is carved. Actually piranha, I thought your pursuit and nabbing of the information was astute and admirable. I didn't mean to try and saddle you with an undeserved critical comment. I do stand by my thought - crudely put - What does the photog's label mean and why would his assessment and label be deemed any more accurate than the candidly confused forum poster? "Etching" is not employed to produce sculpture. I guess, if I was not so ignorant as to the nature of the locale, I could get my mind around the (to me) improbable concept that someone would go to the trouble to "manufacture/produce/carve" such an object. Why?,would be the global question. My original comment still is valid, I believe. Man made or natural, close observation via magnification may be the most prudent and productive course, requiring the least effort. If it's carved (or etched), it should bear tool marks. The same peep would reveal any organic hallmarks. I just saw the comments about a fired clay possibility, so I wanted to add to my recommendation for empirical analysis. A good whack on the end of the object with the pictured rock hammer. Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, also are remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. - Douglas Adams, Last Chance to See Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamarr Posted December 17, 2012 Author Share Posted December 17, 2012 Actually piranha, I thought your pursuit and nabbing of the information was astute and admirable. I didn't mean to try and saddle you with an undeserved critical comment. I do stand by my thought - crudely put - What does the photog's label mean and why would his assessment and label be deemed any more accurate than the candidly confused forum poster? "Etching" is not employed to produce sculpture. I guess, if I was not so ignorant as to the nature of the locale, I could get my mind around the (to me) improbable concept that someone would go to the trouble to "manufacture/produce/carve" such an object. Why?,would be the global question. My original comment still is valid, I believe. Man made or natural, close observation via magnification may be the most prudent and productive course, requiring the least effort. If it's carved (or etched), it should bear tool marks. The same peep would reveal any organic hallmarks. I just saw the comments about a fired clay possibility, so I wanted to add to my recommendation for empirical analysis. A good whack on the end of the object with the pictured rock hammer. What great detective work but I stiil do not see someone go through all the trouble of transporting cement down to the site and building this object for tourists to enjoy.They dont even get to that end of the park as it is out of the path of tourists. Why I posted Palm Tree or Hoax was because of some input from a local who has been near it and was told it might be Just a Hoax, Who would have gone to all that trouble to make this?? Thanks but I may still find the answer.Its an ogopogo!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrangellian Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 True, the only way we'll know for sure is for further probing of the object itself - photos may do no good unless there is some new detail that clinches it for all of us. I doubt it's a hoax of some sort unless it's one that was done years and years ago, not to fool you specifically, but some past project that has either long since served its purpose or never did before it was abandoned... we also may never understand that purpose unless there is some new clue. I would love for it to be a fossil and will keep an open mind.. stranger things have happened! Maybe it's an indigenous artifact! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamarr Posted December 17, 2012 Author Share Posted December 17, 2012 https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1ey0pwxw9lk37gr/0khBlaOVYX#/ TWO REALLY HARD STRIKES WITH ROCK HAMMER I took the advice and this is what the subject is composed of. This is taken from the small end on the original photo. Just in case its not a hoax maybe someone can get some idea. Hardly looks like clay as when i was handling small dust particles were loosened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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