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hi gentlemen s and gentlewomenn s

i will be in tucson at the market place show until the 14 february. so if someone have questions or need identification of Moroccans mosasaur welcome.

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Was lucky to find these among the “ordinary” Globidens teeth. Carinodens belgicus.

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Harranasaurus Khuludae

 

systematic paleontology

order: Squamata Oppel, 1811

superfamily: mosasauroidae Gervais,1853

Family: Mosasauridae Gervais,1853

subfamily mosasaurinae Gervais,1853

tribe: Globidensini Russel,1967

Genus: Harranasaurus n.gen

type species: Harranasaurus khuludae, Kaddumi,2009

 

etymology: Harrana, type locality where the type was collected in Jordan and saurus reptile, Khuludae in honor of author's daughter 'Khulude' , Meaning immortal in classic arabic.

stratigraphy: Maestrichian, couche 3

locality: sidi-Daoui , Morocco

extremely rare mosasaur form the globidens tribe . differ from globidens phosphaticus and bigger than carinodens belgicus.

 

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bibliography : fossils of the Harrana Fauna and the adjacent areas, Kaddumi 2009

 

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right dentary 13 teeth, the teeth in white are 3D printed form the original teeth find along the skull , but the bones are compressed so they don't fit in the bone, so i have 3D scanned and printed the teeth and making them fit in the dentary.

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pterygoid bone and teeth of harranasaurus khuludae

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It's interesting that there are so many different species of Mosasaurs in this area.

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it must be everywhere the same diversity more and less an open ocean ,the rarity is just an fiction caused by the missing courage of digging an ocean size...in morocco the phosphates mines are oversized and lot of people educated in digging watch the floor...and it s more coming but i publish only the specimens with no doubt here...some mosasaurs are represented by parts only, like carinodens.

the presence of baculites bed on a basal level of phosphate beds can explain this abundance of predators in a same area. some species of mosasaurs live here (prognathodon, baugei, halisaurus) , you find the Juvenile to the seniles specimens, and some are the same size , jung adult , for me they are visitors at the time of the migration of baculites. the phosphatic bed where the bones are find didn't preserve the calcite shells or invertebrates.

(if somebody want to correct my horrible frenglish it will be cool. ;-)  )

 

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23 minutes ago, jnoun11 said:

it must be everywhere the same diversity more and less an open ocean ,the rarity is just an fiction caused by the missing courage of digging an ocean size...in morocco the phosphates mines are oversized and lot of people educated in digging watch the floor...and it s more coming but i publish only the specimens with no doubt here...some mosasaurs are represented by parts only, like carinodens.

the presence of baculites bed on a basal level of phosphate beds can explain this abundance of predators in a same area. some species of mosasaurs live here (prognathodon, baugei, halisaurus) , you find the Juvenile to the seniles specimens, and some are the same size , jung adult , for me they are visitors at the time of the migration of baculites. the phosphatic bed where the bones are find didn't preserve the calcite shells or invertebrates.

(if somebody want to correct my horrible frenglish it will be cool. ;-)  )

 

Your English is pretty good for the most part. Don't worry about it.

 

 

Yes, with animals moving quite freely in water it makes sense to find a higher diversity than on land.

 

Btw, some more complete parts of Carinodens have been found. Hopefully some good material will be published in the near future.

 

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Hi mosasaurs lovers

Lot of you asking me about mosasaur material autenticity... 

Never buy specimens they dont have records of the prepping.pictures at list in a plaster jacket with the specimen in matrix. More pictures of the differents steps in preparation to the final specimen before painting the restorations. Never believe a dealers.friendships is different than buisness...

When you buy a specimen of vertebrates you buy a page of history of life. 

Ask for facts!!! 

To much material on a market is fake now...and not just morocco material...

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4 minutes ago, jnoun11 said:

Hi mosasaurs lovers

Lot of you asking me about mosasaur material autenticity... 

Never buy specimens they dont have records of the prepping.pictures at list in a plaster jacket with the specimen in matrix. More pictures of the differents steps in preparation to the final specimen before painting the restorations. Never believe a dealers.friendships is different than buisness...

When you buy a specimen of vertebrates you buy a page of history of life. 

Ask for facts!!! 

To much material on a market is fake now...and not just morocco material...

 

This is good advice... if you can afford it. Those of us that I politely term 'bottom feeders' have little choice but to stick to small pieces or make do with a bit of restoration/compositing :(

 

I've never even heard of a dealer who offers preparation photos. Is that something high-end dealers do?

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With Moroccan material it s usually  hard to get pics of the preparation process. Apparently and for reasons that are hard to understand Moroccan preparators spend tens or hundreds of hours on a skull without taking any pictures. Maybe because there is too much restoration/reconstruction to hide? What you get to see is the final result with restored parts already painted which make it very hard to know what is real and what is not.

Sometimes if you are lucky you get pictures of the specimen in the matrix, but it is not in the majority of the cases.

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16 hours ago, Aurelius said:

 

This is good advice... if you can afford it. Those of us that I politely term 'bottom feeders' have little choice but to stick to small pieces or make do with a bit of restoration/compositing :(

 

I've never even heard of a dealer who offers preparation photos. Is that something high-end dealers do?

I'm not sure it’s an issue of price but common practice of prep work that is done in Morocco.  Preparers I have to believe move lots of specimens and keeping a photo track record of their work does not equate to $$$. 

I know of some domestic dealers that sell what they prep keep photos of the work done.  Most preparers I've used are happy to photograph the work being done on your item if asked to do so.

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Its the customers they must ask for pictures its almost impossible to reconstruct a real skull without pictures. if you customers dont ask for pictures...dont complain if you buy fakes...

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Does anyone have pictures of fossil mosasaur pterygoid teeth? I mean fossils of JUST the separated teeth/tooth row, not as part of the rest of the skull. 

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On 7/10/2018 at 6:38 PM, Still_human said:

Does anyone have pictures of fossil mosasaur pterygoid teeth? I mean fossils of JUST the separated teeth/tooth row, not as part of the rest of the skull. 

hi still human

whats kind of mosasaur pterygoid teeth you looking for?

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 right pterygoid : prognathodon Anceps maestrichian morocco

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Those are indeed the teeth I'm referring to, but I was hoping to find pictures of just separate rows of then

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right pterygoid of young prognathodon Anceps

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hi mosasaur lovers

i have  frontal from a new location in morocco. from the sharks teeth assemblage the age is: turonian. it look like tylosaur too me, but i need confirmation from specialist and tylosaurus is a north american mosasaur. some idea, i will post more soon.

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hi mosasaurs lovers

i find in turonian deposit this assemblage, my problem is the overnumber of teeth on a dentary, more and less 30 !!! somebody know a turonian mosasaur with so many teeth?

thanks for your help.

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Are you sure the narrow element is mosasaur? Do you have a close up photo?

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hi john

its seems after a little bit more cleaning to be a piece of fish like xyphactinus or pachyrhizodus.

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17 minutes ago, jnoun11 said:

hi john

its seems after a little bit more cleaning to be a piece of fish like xyphactinus or pachyrhizodus.

 

 

Fish makes more sense.  Good work, @jnoun11

 

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Harranasaurus Khuludae

 

systematic paleontology

order: Squamata Oppel, 1811

superfamily: mosasauroidae Gervais,1853

Family: Mosasauridae Gervais,1853

subfamily mosasaurinae Gervais,1853

tribe: Globidensini Russel,1967

Genus: Harranasaurus n.gen

type species: Harranasaurus khuludae, Kaddumi,2009

 

reconstitution after scanning the original pieces of the specimen and 3D print. scale 1/2

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hi gentlemen s and gentlewoman s

i will be in tucson at the market place 1333 n oracle road on a show from the 2 February until the 16 February. so if someone have questions or need identification of Moroccans mosasaur welcome.you just go inside the building and you ask for the crazy french ...everybody know. ;-)

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