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Need Help Identifying Nautiloid/ammonite Shaped Fossils

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Two Nautiloid/Ammonite Shaped Fossils

During our 4th of July fossil trip I was looking for something a bit different and found these two nautiloid shaped fossils. One appears to be a large ammonoid which is poorly defined, and the other is a smaller ammonoid impression in shale. Would appreciate any comments.

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