Volitan Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Hi. I found this many years ago at the Talbragar Beds in NSW, Australia. This was long before the site was closed to amateur collecting. This locality is famous for Jurassic fish fossils. Below is a rather outdated list of species found at the site. I notice that it includes a cycad, which seems to me a possible contender. Most of the fossils at the site are small fish, so I guess it could also be a part of a large fish. thanks for looking at this for me cheers Arron PinopsidaPinales - Podocarpaceae : Elatocladus australis ActinopterygiiCoccolepidae : Coccolepis australis ActinopteriSemionotiformes - Semionotidae : Aphnelepis australis n. gen. n. sp., Aetheolepis mirabilis n. gen. n. sp.Teleostei - Pholidophoridae : Archaeomaene tenuis n. gen. n. sp., Archaeomaene robustus n. sp.Teleostei - Leptolepidae : Leptolepis talbragarensis n. sp., Leptolepis lowei n. sp., Leptolepis gregarius n. sp. CoelacanthimorphaCoelacanthidae : Coelacanthidae indet. PteridopsidaOnychiopsis sp., Cladophlebis australisCyatheales - Dicksoniaceae : Coniopteris hymenophylloides CycadopsidaCycadales - "Nilssonia compta" = Nilsonia GinkgoopsidaPentoxylales - Pentoxylaceae : Taeniopteris daintreei PeltaspermopsidaPeltaspermales - Umkomasiaceae : Pachypteris crassa unclassifiedSelaginella sp., Allocladus cribbii, Allocladus milneanus, Neuropteridium australe, Thinnfeldia odontopteroides, Carnoconites australica n. sp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 It looks plant-ish to me; beyond that...? "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FossilDAWG Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Looks fishy to me. Body scales below, and the base of a fin on top. I suspect the orientation of the photo is "upside down": the fin should be on the bottom in life orientation. No idea about the genus/species. Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plantguy Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 Hi Volitan, Interesting specimen you got there. I agree with Don and am gonna say I'm not thinking plant/cycad either. I really shouldn't even be guessing but what the heck...but saw a Aphnelepsis link while looking at various fossil plants from that site. http://www.fossilmall.com/Science/Sites/Talbragar/Aphnelepis/Aphnelepis.htm Our fellow member Thomas (Oilshale) also has one in his gallery. http://www.thefossilforum.com/index.php?/gallery/image/8284-aphnelepis-australis/ Dont bank on this ID by any measure...it truly is a guess! Wait for a fish expert to way in. Regards, Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 I'm also getting a strong fish signal from this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted September 21, 2013 Share Posted September 21, 2013 (edited) I'm going to vote on fish for this as well. I see what appear to be raylets on the anterior border of the fin. Regards, EDIT: You might look through this PDF on Google Books. Haven't looked through it myself,so I'm not sure you will be able to narrow it down any further, based on what is preserved. It does seem that you have a larger than normal piece of fish there, though. You might check with a local university or museum to see if it is important. Edited September 21, 2013 by Fossildude19 1 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckmerlin Posted September 22, 2013 Share Posted September 22, 2013 Thats a nice fish specimen , as Tim suggests I too think that it would be worth getting someone to look at it for you thanks for sharing best regards Chris "A man who stares at a rock must have a lot on his mind... or nothing at all' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oilshale Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Plantguy made me aware of this thread (thanks Chris). I agree with Tim: (partial) fish with either the dorsal or anal fin. Plantguy suggested the fish being an Aphnelepis. Might be. But to say the truth - I am not even sure about the fish in my gallery being an Aphnelepis... If you really want to find out which species, you will have to ask a professional. Thomas Be not ashamed of mistakes and thus make them crimes (Confucius, 551 BC - 479 BC). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izak_ Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Defiantly a fish! Good find! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodrex Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 I would suggest that this is a fish as you can see the fin radials. Its not cavenderichthies (New name for Leptolepis) or Archaeomaene. Its one of the rare fish. judging by its rhombic scales its possibly Aetheolepis. Hope that helps Rod 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 (edited) Here is a document about the Australian Jurassic sedimentary and fossil successions - S. Turner et al. http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/11035890902924877with reference to the Late Jurassic Talbragar fish fauna. A few of them are illustrated in page 61: A very good document, about "Leptolepis" : The leptolepid fish Cavenderichthys talbragarensis (Woodward,1895) from the Talbragar Fish Bed(Late Jurassic) near Gulgong, New South Wales - L.B. Bean http://museum.wa.gov.au/sites/default/files/THE%20LEPTOLEPID%20FISH%20CAVENDERICHTHYS%20TALKBRAGARENSIS%20%28WOODWARD,%201895%29%20FROM%20THE%20TALBRAGAR%20FISH%20BED%20%28LATE%20JURASSIC%29%20NEAR%20GULGO.pdf Edited October 10, 2015 by abyssunder 1 " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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