miguels97 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 Hello I see a lot of this fossils on ebay and some with good prices , are they real or not ? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-BIG-Chinese-Best-Triassic-Keichousaurus-Real-Turtle-Fossil-FREE-SHIPPING-/321348971186?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ad1e42ab2 Thanks for your time. Miguel Morais Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 No. Neither are all the birds currently for sale. "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snolly50 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 (edited) There is even a comment under the seller's feedback where a buyer complains of a "fake." The seller's response uses the term "artificial fossils." Edited March 14, 2014 by snolly50 Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, also are remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. - Douglas Adams, Last Chance to See Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fossilized6s Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 I agree, its a fake. Stay away from Chinese fossils. ~Charlie~ "There are those that look at things the way they are, and ask why.....i dream of things that never were, and ask why not?" ~RFK ->Get your Mosasaur print ->How to spot a fake Trilobite ->How to identify a CONCRETION from a DINOSAUR EGG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herb Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 it is still cool as "art" "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"_ Carl Sagen No trees were killed in this posting......however, many innocent electrons were diverted from where they originally intended to go. " I think, therefore I collect fossils." _ Me "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."__S. Holmes "can't we all just get along?" Jack Nicholson from Mars Attacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfin1974 Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 all the keichosaurus and turtles birds lizards amphibians on ebay are 99% FAKE feedback cant be trusted anyway they have 100 accounts and fake feedback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 ...all the keichosaurus and turtles birds lizards amphibians on ebay are 99% FAKE... That statement is demonstrably false as most of the Keichousaurus fossils on ebay are absolutely genuine. Unfortunately they are usually prepped quickly and carelessly in order to bring them to the marketplace at a frantic pace to keep up with constant demand. TFF even had an allegedly typical Keichousaurus 'fake' that was shown to be authentic with X-Rays. The notion that all Chinese fossils are fake is an exaggerated and unwarranted myth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurelius Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 The keichousaurs are indeed genuine. The turtles are bad fakes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 There are fine and genuine fossils to be had from China, if you know exactly what you are doing. Don't spend money you can't afford to lose if you don't! "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Andy- Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Having seen one of these upclose, I can assure you this type are definitely fake. Looking forward to meeting my fellow Singaporean collectors! Do PM me if you are a Singaporean, or an overseas fossil-collector coming here for a holiday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caldigger Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 The EBay seller even states that whole turtle fossils like this are extremely rare. That should be a major "RED FLAG" right there if you are seeing lots of these for sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiphactinus Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 caveat emptor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pagurus Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 I asked the seller if any of this "fossil" was real or if it was all just carved and painted. The reply was that part of a claw was repaired. I guess that doesn't rule out that part of everything else was also "repaired." Start the day with a smile and get it over with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 I asked the seller if any of this "fossil" was real or if it was all just carved and painted. The reply was that part of a claw was repaired.... That is beyond misleading, and this sort of thing is what gives a bad reputation to all Chinese sellers. "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fossilized6s Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 That is beyond misleading, and this sort of thing is what gives a bad reputation to all Chinese sellers. +1 You have to almost have the piece in-hand to get a feel for it. Then you have to be an expert to see if it's real or not by bone size, shape, type, texture, etc. ~Charlie~ "There are those that look at things the way they are, and ask why.....i dream of things that never were, and ask why not?" ~RFK ->Get your Mosasaur print ->How to spot a fake Trilobite ->How to identify a CONCRETION from a DINOSAUR EGG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurelius Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 If they were cheaper, I'd buy one just to take it apart and see how it was done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taogan Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 I have a quick test to check authenticity of this type of fossil and it is fairly accurate. Look at what the seller has sold in the past. If there is an identical specimen then start to have serious doubts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megafever Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 I say it is a fake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichW9090 Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Everything about that fossil is wrong. It is not a "BIG Chinese Best Triassic Keichousaurus Real Turtle Fossil." It is not Triassic, it is not Keichousaurus ( which isn't a turtle). The plural of "anecdote" is not "evidence". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caldigger Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 It seems many EBay listings do this. Mention items( keywords) that have absolutely nothing to do with the item being sold, just to get other viewers to check it out. Boo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhw Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 It's my understanding that it is absolutely illegal to ship genuine fossils out of China. Anybody know for sure, or what the letter of the law is? No problem shipping fakes though, and they're apparently very plentiful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 It's my understanding that it is absolutely illegal to ship genuine fossils out of China. Anybody know for sure, or what the letter of the law is? No problem shipping fakes though, and they're apparently very plentiful! The letter of the law and reality are a bit divergent; enforcement is non-existent for common fossils, but if China files a claim over something important, the US will cooperate fully to repatriate the specimen and prosecute the offender. "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Andy- Posted March 30, 2014 Share Posted March 30, 2014 It's my understanding that it is absolutely illegal to ship genuine fossils out of China. Anybody know for sure, or what the letter of the law is? No problem shipping fakes though, and they're apparently very plentiful! This is an extremely grey area, but here's my take on why you still see many Chinese fossils out there. 1) Not all countries complies with China's no-exporting rule. 2) A large number of fossils were brought out of China before the implementation of that rule. You often see sellers who claim their Chinese fossil were brought out before the ban. Who's to say if they are lying or telling the truth? 3) A loophole exists through Hong Kong, since it is okay to bring Chinese fossils into HK, but HK itself does not practice the no-export rule. Looking forward to meeting my fellow Singaporean collectors! Do PM me if you are a Singaporean, or an overseas fossil-collector coming here for a holiday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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