Bev Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 I am considering buying this Morrocan crinoid plate at Niagara Cave for a hefty $170. The owner of the cave said that it was sold to him as a true fossil plate, however, I did purchase a trilobite plate from him that was NOT real but sold as real. Is it real? Is this a far price for this? It is perhaps 16" x 11" or better. Thanks for looking! Opinions appreciated! The more I learn, I realize the less I know. BluffCountryFossils.NET Fossil Adventure Blog Go to my Gallery for images of Fossil Jewelry, Sculpture & Crafts Pinned Posts: Beginner's Guide to Fossil Hunting * Geologic Formation Maps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoscrawler Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 I can not tell you if its real or not but if it is that's a great deal beautiful piece Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 The price seems to good to be true... "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeymig Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 It looks okay based on your one photo but it does need to be prepped better. Mikey Many times I've wondered how much there is to know. led zeppelin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crinus Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 Go for it. Price seems realistic. I have never seen one of these faked. Too much detail to try and fake. It would be obvious. crinus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bev Posted June 21, 2014 Author Share Posted June 21, 2014 Go for it. Price seems realistic. I have never seen one of these faked. Too much detail to try and fake. It would be obvious. crinus Thanks Crinus!!! The more I learn, I realize the less I know. BluffCountryFossils.NET Fossil Adventure Blog Go to my Gallery for images of Fossil Jewelry, Sculpture & Crafts Pinned Posts: Beginner's Guide to Fossil Hunting * Geologic Formation Maps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arckermann Posted June 22, 2014 Share Posted June 22, 2014 good price , good stuf ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bev Posted June 22, 2014 Author Share Posted June 22, 2014 This thread moved over here: http://www.thefossilforum.com/index.php?/topic/47516-incredible-crinoid-hunt/ Lots more pics of the Moroccan crinoid plates Mark has for sale. I ended up buying a different plate - even more crinoids on it - and had a very prolific hunt after I left Niagara Cave not more than 5 miles away and hit a shale cut maybe a mile or two from that with a nice haul also! The more I learn, I realize the less I know. BluffCountryFossils.NET Fossil Adventure Blog Go to my Gallery for images of Fossil Jewelry, Sculpture & Crafts Pinned Posts: Beginner's Guide to Fossil Hunting * Geologic Formation Maps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sseth Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Just one note on this plate, and it is common on most of these moroccan crinoids, the "Stem"as it is often referred to, has been composited in to make the piece look better. This is the case with the majority of these. Still a very nice piece at a fair price. _____________________________________ Seth www.fossilshack.com www.americanfossil.com www.fishdig.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old dead things Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 Look at the backside, it is fairly easy to tell if it has been pieced together, watch mostly for color changes that don't seem to mesh. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bev Posted June 24, 2014 Author Share Posted June 24, 2014 This is the one I ended up buying for the same price. Back looks good to be a single unit. The one stem might be pieced in, but I am very happy with it for the price! The more I learn, I realize the less I know. BluffCountryFossils.NET Fossil Adventure Blog Go to my Gallery for images of Fossil Jewelry, Sculpture & Crafts Pinned Posts: Beginner's Guide to Fossil Hunting * Geologic Formation Maps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sseth Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 You got a good one. It looks very nice and i don't see much evidence of composite pieces at all. Very nice fossil. _____________________________________ Seth www.fossilshack.com www.americanfossil.com www.fishdig.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bev Posted June 24, 2014 Author Share Posted June 24, 2014 Thanks Seth! I appreciate the advice and critique. The more I learn, I realize the less I know. BluffCountryFossils.NET Fossil Adventure Blog Go to my Gallery for images of Fossil Jewelry, Sculpture & Crafts Pinned Posts: Beginner's Guide to Fossil Hunting * Geologic Formation Maps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted June 24, 2014 Share Posted June 24, 2014 That is a seriously attractive fossil; you got a terrific deal! "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bev Posted June 24, 2014 Author Share Posted June 24, 2014 That is a seriously attractive fossil; you got a terrific deal! Thanks Auspex! I've been lusting after this since I saw it a year ago. When I went online looking at similar crinoid plates at the fossilmall.com I was truly astonished by the prices! Busted the bank though for buying any other fossils this year, but heck, I have enough of my own. The more I learn, I realize the less I know. BluffCountryFossils.NET Fossil Adventure Blog Go to my Gallery for images of Fossil Jewelry, Sculpture & Crafts Pinned Posts: Beginner's Guide to Fossil Hunting * Geologic Formation Maps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bev Posted June 25, 2014 Author Share Posted June 25, 2014 Anyone have a clue what these crinoids might be as an ID? They look Silurian to me,.. The more I learn, I realize the less I know. BluffCountryFossils.NET Fossil Adventure Blog Go to my Gallery for images of Fossil Jewelry, Sculpture & Crafts Pinned Posts: Beginner's Guide to Fossil Hunting * Geologic Formation Maps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 Anyone have a clue what these crinoids might be as an ID? They look Silurian to me,.. Scyphocrinites is the predominant upper Silurian crinoid in northeastern Africa (Algeria & Morocco). Some of the crinoid bed exposures are up to 30 meters thick! Congrats on the great acquisition! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bev Posted June 25, 2014 Author Share Posted June 25, 2014 !Congrats on the great acquisitiont!" Thanks so much Piranha! The more I learn, I realize the less I know. BluffCountryFossils.NET Fossil Adventure Blog Go to my Gallery for images of Fossil Jewelry, Sculpture & Crafts Pinned Posts: Beginner's Guide to Fossil Hunting * Geologic Formation Maps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mishlen Linden Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Don't buy it! It is a fake. You can see the color of the rock its on differs slightly from the place the actual crinoid shows up. This is a big warning sign! I lost alot of money buying these fakes...however, it IS a very nice fake. (I know. I have several of them). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paleoworld-101 Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Don't buy it! It is a fake. You can see the color of the rock its on differs slightly from the place the actual crinoid shows up. This is a big warning sign! I lost alot of money buying these fakes...however, it IS a very nice fake. (I know. I have several of them). Define fake- Partially restored/touched up a bit? Composite from multiple fragmentary specimens? Or just completely artificial (no real fossil material at all)? "In Africa, one can't help becoming caught up in the spine-chilling excitement of the hunt. Perhaps, it has something to do with a memory of a time gone by, when we were the prey, and our nights were filled with darkness..." -Eternal Enemies: Lions And Hyenas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 I'll have to trust crinus on this one: if an authority such as he says it is not a fake, that is good enough for me! "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crinus Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 I'll have to trust crinus on this one: if an authority such as he says it is not a fake, that is good enough for me! Thanks Auspex. It is just not worth faking this crinoid. There are thousands of real ones for sale in Tuscan every year. I have looked at many and I have yet to see a "fake". If we were talking starfish, there would be a different discussion. And Paleo.... is right. Define fake. There will always be touch up to the matrix and maybe a stem or two attached or reattached. That does not mean the crinoids are fake. The crinoids are definitely real. Why would someone fake a crinoid and then fake a stem going across the crinoids. Fakes are usually perfect and no detail. Scyphocrinites has too much detail to try and fake. If someone tried to fake the detail on this crinoid, the fake would end up costing more that the real item. crinus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richardthefossil Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 I hope Bev secured this plate, it looks genuine enough, could have restoration, of course on a photo it is very difficult to be 100% conclusive. Best to get a receipt stating real, genuine fossil, or buy from a fossil store which issues a money back type guarantee or authenticity certificate. It does look typical of the type from near Erfoud, S.E.Morocco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bev Posted May 26, 2016 Author Share Posted May 26, 2016 I hope Bev secured this plate, it looks genuine enough, could have restoration, of course on a photo it is very difficult to be 100% conclusive. Best to get a receipt stating real, genuine fossil, or buy from a fossil store which issues a money back type guarantee or authenticity certificate. It does look typical of the type from near Erfoud, S.E.Morocco. It's on my shelf. :-D The more I learn, I realize the less I know. BluffCountryFossils.NET Fossil Adventure Blog Go to my Gallery for images of Fossil Jewelry, Sculpture & Crafts Pinned Posts: Beginner's Guide to Fossil Hunting * Geologic Formation Maps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted May 26, 2016 Share Posted May 26, 2016 I can not think of a better home for it (unless it were in mine)!! Nice plate!! Tony Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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