Shellseeker Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 When hunting in deep water, I take extra precautions. Strap everything in the kayak down, put leashes on the shovels, wear one of those light CO2 inflatable vests. Also anticipate the pressure from the current. I also lower my expectations and realize that I can only reach the top layers of gravel which have likely been dug before -- so I am looking for items that rolled in after the last search or the previous hunter missed thru a 1/2 inch screen. The last location I am hunting has small teeth broken bones and fragments but an occasional reward. Some Hemis: A couple of bones, Maybe a Vert about 3 inches Bone #2 Maybe a Calcaneum a little over 3 inches I tend to overfill my sieve which is more of a problem in deep fast water because it is harder to handle. I had just found this amorphous chunk of enamel or ivory and while trying to figure out what it was almost spilled the whole sieve, Fortunately that did not happen because I next grabbed a tooth in slightly better shape that I tossed into the collection bag -- I did not really look at this one until getting it home and I am excited by what it seems to be.. So a couple of bones and this last tooth to Identify... ENJOY!!! The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fossilized6s Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 (edited) Baby Mastodon?! That's a sweet find if it is! You're a brave man Jack. I wouldn't hunt it still..... Edited July 3, 2014 by fossilized6s ~Charlie~ "There are those that look at things the way they are, and ask why.....i dream of things that never were, and ask why not?" ~RFK ->Get your Mosasaur print ->How to spot a fake Trilobite ->How to identify a CONCRETION from a DINOSAUR EGG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calhounensis Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 (edited) Nice finds, for high water you did very well! The tooth could be peccary, dugong also crossed my mind. With the damage on the crown it's hard to tell. At first, I was thinking the second bone was a giant armadillo astragalus, but looking at it now I don't think that's it. The first bone reminds me of a skull cap or sternum. Edit: Mastodon didn't cross my mind for the tooth, now that I look though it certainly has that look. That would be one tiny mastodon if it were. Edited July 3, 2014 by calhounensis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fossilized6s Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Your first chunk looks like a vert to me for sure. ~Charlie~ "There are those that look at things the way they are, and ask why.....i dream of things that never were, and ask why not?" ~RFK ->Get your Mosasaur print ->How to spot a fake Trilobite ->How to identify a CONCRETION from a DINOSAUR EGG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellseeker Posted July 3, 2014 Author Share Posted July 3, 2014 The tooth could be peccary, dugong also crossed my mind. With the damage on the crown it's hard to tell. At first, I was thinking the second bone was a giant armadillo astragalus, but looking at it now I don't think that's it. The first bone reminds me of a skull cap or sternum. Edit: Mastodon didn't cross my mind for the tooth, now that I look though it certainly has that look. That would be one tiny mastodon if it were. I also did not initially think Mastodon -- both due to size of a clearly erupted tooth and the gaps between the ridges. Most of the mastodon teeth I have found, have very clear ridges horizontally rather than peak-valley-peak. It might be peccary, dudong, gomph.. which is why I did not provide my own "guess" Note the 2 ridges on this baby mastodon tooth and how different it looks to the unknown tooth. The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fossilized6s Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Im stumped then sir. Hopefully Cris or Harry can tell us what they see. ~Charlie~ "There are those that look at things the way they are, and ask why.....i dream of things that never were, and ask why not?" ~RFK ->Get your Mosasaur print ->How to spot a fake Trilobite ->How to identify a CONCRETION from a DINOSAUR EGG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KYAL Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Nice finds, that tooth looks pretty exciting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Nice finds Jack...esp considering the conditions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 I don't recognize the ankle bone . . . it's not giant armadillo, though. Part of our problem identifying the tooth is that the angle of the view distorts the object. Augment the basic images with view you like, but first provide perpendicular views of the sides and the occlusal surface. This is not just for Jack. If posting images of a tooth for an ID, these are the sort of images that will be most helpful: labial, lingual, and occlusal. http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellseeker Posted July 4, 2014 Author Share Posted July 4, 2014 Absolutely correct--- Here are a couple of (slightly) different occusal images: The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichW9090 Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 I'm having a hard time with this one - it should be easy. It isn't a glyptodont or a sloth. It has some of the look of a tapir, but seems way too large. The most obvious characteristic is that the articular surface for the tibia is almost straight, rather than having the pulley-like shape you'd see in tapirs or rhino. It looks proboscidean as well, but too small. Without it in hand and access to a comparative collection, that's all I can say right now. But it is distinctive, and will be a face-palm "Of course" when it is ID'd. The plural of "anecdote" is not "evidence". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fruitbat Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 The tooth looks very peccary-ish to me. -Joe Illigitimati non carborundum Fruitbat's PDF Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellseeker Posted July 4, 2014 Author Share Posted July 4, 2014 (edited) Rich, I am confused also -- it seems to be Calcaneum, but does not look like the ones (Camel, Bison) in Harry's Gallary. Here is another photo: Joe, Peccary would be OK also -- I actually have more baby Mastodon than Peccary examples -- and the ridges just look wrong for Mastodon. A couple of more photos EDIT -- I think this IS Peccary --- from post #16 in this tread: http://www.thefossilforum.com/index.php?/topic/35576-anybody-here-have-peccary-fossils-they-want-to-show/ Edited July 4, 2014 by Shellseeker The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 The ankle bone is not Teleoceras, either. http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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