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I found this today in an Eastern NC Quarry. Early Oligocene. I believe it is part of a turtle shell, but not positive. I have never seen one like it. Hoping it can be ID'd down to species because of the "spikes".

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It may be a "softshell" turtle. I have seen trionychids from the Cretaceous with similar spurs.

...or a sea turtle :) (posted without reading other responses)...

...or a softshell like Charlie already said. :blush:

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I am leaning towards Sea Turtle as Rich Posted. I am wondering, is there a possibiility of ID'ing this more positively? Does anyone know of a paper or resource on fossil turtle, especially Oligocene?

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I've got a lot of turtle material of beach finds from Venice, Florida, but never seen spikes that big.

But searching florida fossil turtle stuff might give leads...

With spikes like that I'm going to guess it is a sea turtle because a tortise or freshwater turtle would probably find those things to be a hinderance to getting through obstructions like branches and roots, etc. I think those spikes are to discourage the megalodons and his friends.

Here's a site with fossil florida turtle, but doesn't have sea turtle.

http://www.empireoftheturtle.com/fossil.htm

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I've got a lot of turtle material of beach finds from Venice, Florida, but never seen spikes that big.

But searching florida fossil turtle stuff might give leads...

With spikes like that I'm going to guess it is a sea turtle because a tortise or freshwater turtle would probably find those things to be a hinderance to getting through obstructions like branches and roots, etc. I think those spikes are to discourage the megalodons and his friends.

Here's a site with fossil florida turtle, but doesn't have sea turtle.

http://www.empireoftheturtle.com/fossil.htm

The "spikes" do not protrude from the turtle. They act more like a internal building frame like ribs. I've found many softshell turtle fragments. And softshell turtles are one of the biggest turtles in North America.

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I just realized I did not post an outer side photo. Heading to town right now, will add one later.

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As Rich suggests, it is from the plasteron of a sea turtle.

This image is of a Cretaceous species, but will serve to show the structure:

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Thanks for adding that image Auspex. It sheds more light onto things for me.

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I think Robert Weems has published on Oligocene sea turtles from the eastern US. A bit of Google should reveal a reference.

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