riddy Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Lovely day out at Kimmeridge Bay (Jurassic coast South UK) today. Found this. Any ideas? Very much appreciated. X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmaier Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Some kind of mammal tooth. Looks fossilized, too. Has the masticating surface well shown, so it should be identifiable. Our mammal tooth experts should be along shortly. Please have a seat... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 I think it's a cow tooth. Not likely to be all that old. But I guess it could be some Pleistocene bovid. Could be hard to say with certainty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fossilized6s Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 It looks like a Bovine tooth. I know Bos can be found there, but they're certainly not from the Jurassic. It could be modern (younger then 10,000 years). ~Charlie~ "There are those that look at things the way they are, and ask why.....i dream of things that never were, and ask why not?" ~RFK ->Get your Mosasaur print ->How to spot a fake Trilobite ->How to identify a CONCRETION from a DINOSAUR EGG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmaier Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 I assumed it was a fossil when I saw the black color. Most all the teeth we find around here in Florida are black when they are fossils and white if modern. The color just looks like my pleistocene teeth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmaier Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Tap it against a china cup and see if it sounds like porcelain. A fossilized tooth will give a high pitched "ring" and a modern tooth is more of a thud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calhounensis Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 It's not bovine, I would lean towards a sheep or something similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmaier Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Here's a shot of the wild boar skull that I use as a door stop. Doesn't look like it. Maybe deer? Small elk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calhounensis Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 This molar belonged to one of the ruminant artiodactyls with a selenodont tooth. That rules out Sus right away, which have bunodont teeth. I wish I was more familiar with the Old World artiodactyls... It also looks like this is a deciduous tooth, I'll leave the rest to Harry or Rich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmaier Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 For us people who don't speak comparative anatomy... clahouenesis is saying this tooth is from a cud chewing animal, like a sheep. She says it is not rounded like a bovine (pig) type of tooth. I had to go look up "ruminant artiodactyls". Then she says something about this possibly being the baby tooth from the animal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calhounensis Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 "She" is also a he. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmaier Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Sorry, I don't have my glasses on. That is also my excuse for my typos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taogan Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Looks like a sheep tooth to me, could be any age, but probably not all that old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calhounensis Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 clahouenesis is saying this tooth is from a cud chewing animal, like a sheep. She says it is not rounded like a bovine (pig) type of tooth. With the risk of hijacking this thread even more, I think you have your families mixed up which lead to my confusion earlier. Bovine is the family which cows belong to, they would also be a cud-chewing animal (selenodont). Sus (pig) belongs to the family Suidae. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmaier Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Yes, I was trying to be helpful, but I better go back to lurking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riddy Posted August 21, 2014 Author Share Posted August 21, 2014 Wow thank you all for your help! Here are some other finds from my day...can anyone confirm whether the small 'rock' is some sort of bone? Some guy told me it was a dinosaur bone, but quite dubious? X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riddy Posted August 21, 2014 Author Share Posted August 21, 2014 Pictures.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpevahouse Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Made a few comparisons and the molar appears to be from a cow. Good example of how found bones can look deceptively old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Can we completely eliminate Aurochs based on the evidence? "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riddy Posted August 21, 2014 Author Share Posted August 21, 2014 I prefer the idea of it being Aurochs as opposed to a commooooooon cow! Really grateful for everyone's help x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Calhounensis called it correctly: ruminant artiodactyl with a selenodont tooth. I don't think this is bovid (sheep, cow, or aurochs). I'm leaning toward cervid -- there are several in the Pleistocene of Britain. http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichW9090 Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Ovis or Capra. Sheep or goat. Not cervid - all the cervids are brachydont. This is quite hypsodont. The plural of "anecdote" is not "evidence". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 The tooth in question appears to be an upper, which I don't have. These lowers may be used for general size comparison. sheep or goat: http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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