fingerlakes Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Please help identify Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
howard_l Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 It would help to know the age and location where it was found. Howard_L http://triloman.wix.com/kentucky-fossils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmaier Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 In spite of what my son says about me, brains don't fossilize. It is possible to have a cast of the brain case, but this doesn't look like it is that. But this is coming from an invert guy, so you should listen to other people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 It is a septarian-like concretion, I believe. 2 "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmaier Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 http://www.google.com/images?q=septarian-like+concretion&btnG=Search&hl=en&gbv=1 I would agree. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herb Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Ditto, but cool though. 1 "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"_ Carl Sagen No trees were killed in this posting......however, many innocent electrons were diverted from where they originally intended to go. " I think, therefore I collect fossils." _ Me "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."__S. Holmes "can't we all just get along?" Jack Nicholson from Mars Attacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
howard_l Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Great Pseudofossil! Howard_L http://triloman.wix.com/kentucky-fossils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 In spite of what my son says about me, brains don't fossilize. It is possible to have a cast of the brain case, but this doesn't look like it is that. But this is coming from an invert guy, so you should listen to other people. I just have to throw this incredible specimen into the mix: http://mathisencorollary.blogspot.com/2012/08/for-sale-one-ancient-whale-brain.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stocksdale Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 (edited) That Mathisen Corollary page drove me a little crazy, trying to make sense of it. There's an article on the Whale Brains written in a more straight-forward way on page 8 of this Los Angeles Natural History Museum newsletter. http://www.nhm.org/site/sites/default/files/pdf/naturalist/NHM_Naturalist_Feb_March_2012.pdf Also, the finder of the whale brain has been a member of the Fossil Forum. http://www.thefossilforum.com/index.php?/topic/28959-hi-fossil-friends-check-out-my-whale-brain/ Edited September 4, 2014 by Stocksdale Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.–Carl Sagan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 Thanks so much for all that, Stocksdale! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fingerlakes Posted September 5, 2014 Author Share Posted September 5, 2014 The brain stem like purtrusion or( Corpus Collasom) like has distictive direction or conecction with every section of this item. Some of the connections that you can dafinativly see originating from stem which is devided into five non semetrical areas if looking at the cross section. Each area is coneccted with a region on the item except for the two smallest areas on the stem which connect multipal regions. I would agree about soft tissue and its unlikley capasity to undergo fossilization due to it folital state after life has ended. But in this area it seems that all items where some how cast with a flash blast that heated and cooled rapidly. There are fossils from the devonian period as well as masdodon teeth laying in the same area. What is my next step to further research this item? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Take it to a local university or museum, and have a qualified paleontologist or geologist take a look at it. Regards, 1 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiphactinus Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 100% pseudo fossil. Concretion.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 ...in this area it seems that all items where some how cast with a flash blast that heated and cooled rapidly.... I am sorry, but this statement is nonsense. How did you arrive at this idea? "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmaier Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Each area is coneccted with a region on the item except for the two smallest areas on the stem which connect multipal regions. When I saw that it had two "brain stems", one at the anterior and the other coming out the side lobe, is when I dismissed it as a brain. I'm no vertebrate specialist, but two notocords coming out the brain is one too many. Unless I missed that day in anatomy class... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fingerlakes Posted September 5, 2014 Author Share Posted September 5, 2014 Admin all fossils in this area are for the most part sea creaters. If you were to evaperate our current oceans we would be left with five hundred feet of salt that would cover planet earth fact. I personaly believe if such a thing happened say by metior or lava the steam would hard boil the brain in the perfect pressure cooker the skull in a bath of salt and then we have a brain that now feels more like a hard boils egg and has the perfect capsule to act just like a geiode and slowly be replaced by any mineral it desires. Just a thought if say this metior storm continued and temps. Got to say 800 C then salt would melt and then cool forming a crystal blanket over my new boiled brain giving it the perfect incubator to do it thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnJ Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Admin all fossils in this area are for the most part sea creaters. If you were to evaperate our current oceans we would be left with five hundred feet of salt that would cover planet earth fact. I personaly believe if such a thing happened say by metior or lava the steam would hard boil the brain in the perfect pressure cooker the skull in a bath of salt and then we have a brain that now feels more like a hard boils egg and has the perfect capsule to act just like a geiode and slowly be replaced by any mineral it desires. Just a thought if say this metior storm continued and temps. Got to say 800 C then salt would melt and then cool forming a crystal blanket over my new boiled brain giving it the perfect incubator to do it thing. Your claims are not based on any scientific evidence. The rock you found is not a 'fossil brain'. To satisfy your own beliefs, you should take it to a local museum or paleontologist as suggested. The human mind has the ability to believe anything is true. - JJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fingerlakes Posted September 5, 2014 Author Share Posted September 5, 2014 Also differant clay's bond extremly well with sodium or hard boiled salty brain and what a fossil it would be with its mold being clay and its cast being calcite and slate maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmaier Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 you should take it to a local museum or paleontologist as suggested. Their going to love you for that, you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fingerlakes Posted September 5, 2014 Author Share Posted September 5, 2014 I am brand new to the fossil game so knolwdge is limited but also hold a profesional career and use to play a professional sport and gave lessons in that sport. Your first comment to me was that of a huge head small heart. So I would love any knoledge you are willing to offer and respect will be giving based on incite, studies, commitment to up to date advances in all areas related. I can't just take someone's word for it! Just like you at one point asked why and hear you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmaier Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Stocksdale mentioned the only known fossilized brain, so you might do well to pursue study of that object. (post #6 above). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fingerlakes Posted September 5, 2014 Author Share Posted September 5, 2014 To admin, sorry everyone else for my outburst I welcome and thank all who have offered ideas. I recently stumbbled on to a fossile hot spot and need all the help I can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 fingerlakes, you have a wonderful imagination; in many ways I envy that. You will find that our thinking here is constrained by facts, learned through study and experience. If you want to know what is really true, you have to think more like a scientist. This means that just believing something does not mean it is true, even if it seems to make sense; proof by evidence is required. Richard Dawkins wrote a very good book called "The Magic Of Reality, How We Know What's Really True". It is written for anyone, no scientific background required, and I think it would be a great place for you to begin, if you want to. "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpc Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 I see a nice pseudofossil. No brain cast... sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnJ Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 To admin, sorry everyone else for my outburst I welcome and thank all who have offered ideas. I recently stumbbled on to a fossile hot spot and need all the help I can get. Do some additional reading HERE. Since it is not far from your location, you may also want to visit the PRI. The human mind has the ability to believe anything is true. - JJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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