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Madagascan Ammonites Id


Axelorox

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I'm currently in the process of cataloging my whole collection, and am trying to get some (at least) general ids of all my unidentified specimens. I figure I'll start with some of the Madagascan ammonites I've bought over the years.

Here are some I bought from Indiana9Fossils a few years ago. The only information the site had is that they are from the Cretaceous.
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And here are a few small whole ammonites. I'm not sure what period they're from. I'm thinking the first one is Cleoniceras sp. (if so what species?)

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A somewhat thicker whole ammonite - Desmoceras latidorsatum?

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Here are my guesses I found some ID's for mine after a lot of searching so here goes

#1

Extinct Ammonite

Cleoniceras cleon

Albian Formation

Tulear, Madagascar

Early Cretaceous 100-112 Mil.Yrs

#2

Extinct Ammonite

Desmoceras latidorsatum

Albian Formation

Tulear, Madagascar

Early Cretaceous 100-112 Mil.Yrs

#3

Extinct Ammonite

Desmoceras pseudouhligella

Albian Formation

Tulear, Madagascar

Early Cretaceous 100-112 Mil.Yrs

Those are the ones I have that look like yours but really only pretty sure about #1 the others could be something else. I guessed based on the pattern of the shell inside. Hope this helps

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No I started from the top with the split ones and the first whole one is #4 not sure on that one though it looks different than mine.

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Ah ok, thanks for the guesses. I think you're most likely right on the first two. Can't find enough examples of D. pseudouhligella to comment on the third. The fourth one has me a bit confused; it seems close to Cleoniceras but not quite.

What resources did you use in getting familiar with the various Madagascar ammonites? I haven't had much luck finding specific info on various genera and species online.

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http://www.fossnet-fossils.com/ammomadagaskar.php

I found this site not sure how accurate it is but it does have info at least. I might have to change some of my own ID's now

EDIT if you click on the photos it will show all the different views which helps a bunch. Looks like your #4 is a Cleoniceras (Grycia) besairiei and the one I had in my collection as a Desocerus sp. is the Pseudosonneratia sakalava

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Thanks for the link. Going off of that site the first whole ammonite is Cleoniceras besairi and the last one is indeed Desmoceras latidorsatum. The first and third sliced ammonites look like more C. besairi while the 2nd looks like D. latidorsatum.

Still not sure on the middle two whole ones. All I can tell is that the third whole one definitely isn't Cleoniceras.

Anyone else have any experience with the site linked to earlier?

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Ya sorry I couldn't be more help. I hope someone might enlighten us both. I found that a lot of the sites I found were just making stuff up for Id's so I had a hard time finding the Id's on mine too.

Anyway good luck, Mike

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Hello !

In my opinion it is impossible to give an id of the splited ones with this view, show us the unpolished part...

It is the same for the polished ones, you can get a precise id with the shell !

All the ways :

All your ammonites look albian in age

The first whole and unpolished one looks a Cleoniceras as you said, for the specie, you have two main species : C. besairiei and C. madagascariense, they vary in the costulation, C. madagascariense has a stronger costulation. In the present case I'll say C. besairiei

The last whole and unpolished one looks has you said a Desmoceras latidorsatum

The two polished ones looks Cleoniceras for the first one and Desmoceras for the second one !

Ventral views will be usefull !

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Thanks for the input. I will get up more pics of these specimens along with some others sometime this week. By now I think I have a good idea of what distinguishes Cleoniceras from Desmoceras, but it is distinguishing on the species level that seems to be difficult.

Another question - do Madagascan ammonites of one genus/species tend to all come from one general locale, or are there many different possible locations where they could come from?

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Okay, I went and took more photos of the the sliced pairs and the second and third whole ammonites from the OP. With the pairs I"m pretty sure 1 and 3 are Cleoniceras while 2 is Desmoceras, but I have no idea which species.

Pair 1:

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Pair 2:

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Pair 3:

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OP whole ammonite #2: Pretty sure this is Cleoniceras but can't tell what species

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OP whole ammonite #3: Some Desmoceras species?

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I also have three more whole ammonites I'm unsure of:

#1: Some species of Cleoniceras?

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#2: Some species of Desmoceras?

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#3: Not sure about this one

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