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Unusual Tooth From Jcbshark's Cookie Cutter Matrix


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Hey All,

Found in the cookie cutter matrix I got in jcbshark's last auction.

Scale in photos is MM.

No guesses as to the identity of this one.

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Also wanted to show a better photo of this dermal dentical.

Is it possible to identify species?

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Tony

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The tooth is from a catshark. The dermal denticle might be from a ray.

I thought it looked like a strange shark tooth. Neat about the denticile also.- thanks for the knowledge.

Nice little specimens

Thanks

Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys."

Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough."

 

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On 2/5/2015 at 1:06 PM, Al Dente said:

The tooth is from a catshark. The dermal denticle might be from a ray.

 

Al Dente,

 

I'm late on this but I think this tooth is more the size and shape of Triakis which would be a new genus to the Florida fossil record.  I couldn't find a match in my references among the catsharks but it would seem too large to be one anyway.  The average catshark tooth is about a millimeter long with few as large as 2mm.  This tooth appears to be 4mm and 3mm wide.

 

Jess

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@Al Dente @siteseer


Order Carcharhiniformes COMPAGNO, 1973
Family Triakidae GRAY, 1851
Genus Palaeogaleus GURR, 1962
Palaeogaleus vincenti (DAEMERIES, 18888): Thanetian, Templeuve near Lille, Francea7abdounia3b.jpg

 

 

From jelasmo.

 

My find does look much like the one on the right.

But it also looks like the one on the left in this picture (which is within the size of My find.).

 


Scyliorhinus gilberti CASIER, 1946/ premontreia gilberti: Ypresian, Fisher/ Sullivan Site, Nanjemoy Formation, Stafford County, Virginia

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Also from jelasmo.

 

So now I am confused....

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7 hours ago, siteseer said:

 

Al Dente,

 

I'm late on this but I think this tooth is more the size and shape of Triakis which would be a new genus to the Florida fossil record.  I couldn't find a match in my references among the catsharks but it would seem too large to be one anyway.  The average catshark tooth is about a millimeter long with few as large as 2mm.  This tooth appears to be 4mm and 3mm wide.

 

Jess

As far as size goes, there are fossil catshark teeth that are larger than what Tony has found. Tony's looks closer to 3 mm wide to me. I have fossil ones that are over 4 mm wide (here). The base of Tony's tooth looks more catshark-like than Triakis-like. I've added the base of Pachyscyllium to Tony's picture as a comparison. 

 

Classification of catsharks and Triakids is a mess. Modern genetic studies have shown the Scyliorhinidae (catsharks) are a polyphyletic group with Proscyllium more closely related to the Triakids than other catsharks. Also the genus Triakis is polyphyletic with some species more closely related to Galeorhinus than to the other Triakis species. If they can't separate modern species, I don't have much hope for fossil ones.

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No idea what anyone's talking about here, but they're very nice fossils. :)

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