njfossilhunter Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 I was at Ramanessin brook today and found this strange thing...I'm not sure what it maybe and if I would take a shoot at guessing .....it would be cartilage...but the cartilage I seen was rounded cervical lumped together. The under side appears to been to be bone in some areas like what you would see from a water worn bony fish. it appears to have four sections as shown by the lines and the second and third sections are slightly rasied. So What do you think it is. TonyThe Brooks Are Like A Box Of Chocolates,,,, You Never Know What You'll Find. I Told You I Don't Have Alzheimer's.....I Have Sometimers. Some Times I Remember And Some Times I Forget.... I Mostly Forget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manticocerasman Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 (edited) I have read a discussion on some similar finds on a Dutch website. Apparently they are referred to as fecal pellets. They are sometimes found in or on fossil shells in Miocene deposits in Belgium. I’m not 100% sure, but they look very similar to your picture. This is the link of the discussion, It is in Dutch, but you can see a lot of pictures to compare with. Hope this helps. http://www.fossiel.net/forums/viewtopic.php?page=0&TopicID=26075 Greetings, Kevin Edited April 16, 2015 by Kevin H. growing old is mandatory but growing up is optional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckmullin Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Google has a translate tool...while I might not be perfect it has to be better than "Ik heb zoiets al eens vaker gezien" Hope it helps. https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=nl&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fossiel.net%2Fforums%2Fviewtopic.php%3Fpage%3D0%26TopicID%3D26075&edit-text= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njfossilhunter Posted April 16, 2015 Author Share Posted April 16, 2015 I have read a discussion on some similar finds on a Dutch website. Apparently they are referred to as fecal pellets. They are sometimes found in or on fossil shells in Miocene deposits in Belgium. Im not 100% sure, but they look very similar to your picture. Thank you Kevin .....It has helped. If this was made inside a shell ....then explains the very small flat area in the back of this specimen that is very flat and smooth ,,,like if it was made from being against the inner wall of a shell..... I did use google translate and from what I can understand is that its a bunch of coprolites....Is it coprolites ???? and what made them. TonyThe Brooks Are Like A Box Of Chocolates,,,, You Never Know What You'll Find. I Told You I Don't Have Alzheimer's.....I Have Sometimers. Some Times I Remember And Some Times I Forget.... I Mostly Forget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njfossilhunter Posted April 16, 2015 Author Share Posted April 16, 2015 Google has a translate tool...while I might not be perfect it has to be better than "Ik heb zoiets al eens vaker gezien" Hope it helps.[/size] Thank you ckmullin.....Yes it's better then....heb zoiets al eens vaker gezien.....LOL TonyThe Brooks Are Like A Box Of Chocolates,,,, You Never Know What You'll Find. I Told You I Don't Have Alzheimer's.....I Have Sometimers. Some Times I Remember And Some Times I Forget.... I Mostly Forget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manticocerasman Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Fecal pellets are indeed coprolites, but it is pure speculation what has made them. One of the theories is that it is left by crustaceans that fed from the soft remains of the original owner of the shell and left their droppings in the shell. growing old is mandatory but growing up is optional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njfossilhunter Posted April 16, 2015 Author Share Posted April 16, 2015 (edited) Thanks again Kevin...you have been a big help. have these been found in cretaceous deposits in europe as well...because its from creataceous marine deposits in New Jersey USA. Edited April 16, 2015 by njfossilhunter TonyThe Brooks Are Like A Box Of Chocolates,,,, You Never Know What You'll Find. I Told You I Don't Have Alzheimer's.....I Have Sometimers. Some Times I Remember And Some Times I Forget.... I Mostly Forget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manticocerasman Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 I haven’t seen those in other deposits here in Europe. I have found a similar thread on this forum. Apparently they are talking about ghost shrimp coprolites as a possibility. http://www.thefossilforum.com/index.php?/topic/26322-is-this-a-fusulinid/ the one discussed her is cretaceous. growing old is mandatory but growing up is optional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 I think we need to get Carl's opinion on this one, Tony. Regards, Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Absolutely a gorgeous mass of invertebrate coprolites! Exquisite! Yes, I am jealous. Nice find! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njfossilhunter Posted April 16, 2015 Author Share Posted April 16, 2015 (edited) I havent seen those in other deposits here in Europe. I have found a similar thread on this forum. Apparently they are talking about ghost shrimp coprolites as a possibility. http://www.thefossilforum.com/index.php?/topic/26322-is-this-a-fusulinid/ the one discussed her is cretaceous. Thanks again Kevin...You have been most helpful. I think we need to get Carl's opinion on this one, Tony. Regards, I think so to Tim....Thank you Absolutely a gorgeous mass of invertebrate coprolites! Exquisite! Yes, I am jealous. Nice find! Thanks Carl....You know you can have this ..Exquisite Coprolite for.....Say 1 Million Dollars....! Edited April 16, 2015 by njfossilhunter TonyThe Brooks Are Like A Box Of Chocolates,,,, You Never Know What You'll Find. I Told You I Don't Have Alzheimer's.....I Have Sometimers. Some Times I Remember And Some Times I Forget.... I Mostly Forget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Absolutely a gorgeous mass of invertebrate coprolites! Exquisite! Yes, I am jealous. Nice find! Egesta envy... Only on TFF! "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinkus Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 http://www.academia.edu/227090/Occurrence_of_Callianassid_Coprolites_in_the_Cretaceous_of_New_Jersey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njfossilhunter Posted April 16, 2015 Author Share Posted April 16, 2015 Egesta envy... Only on TFF! I had to look up Egesta.....Nice play of words Auspex. TonyThe Brooks Are Like A Box Of Chocolates,,,, You Never Know What You'll Find. I Told You I Don't Have Alzheimer's.....I Have Sometimers. Some Times I Remember And Some Times I Forget.... I Mostly Forget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 http://www.academia.edu/227090/Occurrence_of_Callianassid_Coprolites_in_the_Cretaceous_of_New_Jersey Whoa! That was a nice surprise this morning - thanks! I think NJFossilHunter's is not callianassid but I'd need to see it up close to be sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njfossilhunter Posted April 17, 2015 Author Share Posted April 17, 2015 Whoa! That was a nice surprise this morning - thanks! I think NJFossilHunter's is not callianassid but I'd need to see it up close to be sure. I don't think its callianassid...because I compared my specimen with the photos in Carl's paper. TonyThe Brooks Are Like A Box Of Chocolates,,,, You Never Know What You'll Find. I Told You I Don't Have Alzheimer's.....I Have Sometimers. Some Times I Remember And Some Times I Forget.... I Mostly Forget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diceros Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 I know it only from its trace fossil name (like many trace fossils, it's not clear who the maker was, or if several animals made the same kind) - Alcyonidiopsis longobardiae Massalongo, 1856. It's made by an animal which fills up its burrow with pelletal coprolites. Maybe a small marine mollusk. They really aren't that rare, just not often recognized. Most Cret. collectors stop after learning the first two trace fossil names - Ophiomorpha (ghost shrimp burrow filling frags.) and Entobia (steinkerns of sulphur sponge boring galleries in shell). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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