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"Evidence" for proposed paleolithic immigration route discredited:

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"There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant

“Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley

>Paleontology is an evolving science.

>May your wonders never cease!

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Interesting, but not finding the evidence is only proof of not finding the evidence, not that the snag didn't happen.

N.A. was populated as long ago as 50,000 +/- BP. and possibly as early as 75,000 BP.

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DNA evidence shows that one of the FOUR archaic DNA strands is of European descent. However they got here, they left their DNA mark.

Some more info

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/11/131120-giant-sloths-people-americas-ancient-archaeology-science/

One of the most amazing old human sites is Puma Punku, I have herd that it is up to 30,000 years old and we are unable to explain its construction. It amazes me, and there are no aliens.

http://blog.world-mysteries.com/science/ancient-ruins-of-tiwanacu-and-pumapunku/

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...One of the most amazing old human sites is Puma Punku, I have herd that it is up to 30,000 years old...

That blog is a wee bit sensationalistic. Radiocarbon dating places the first phase of construction at 1,510 (+/- 25) years before present.

"There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant

“Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley

>Paleontology is an evolving science.

>May your wonders never cease!

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I don't see how it is conclusive? It shows that portion of the argument is weak for the theory, but I don't see "conclusive" disproval of the whole theory.

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I have been aware of the Puma Punku site for a very long time and have always heard that it is much older than our clovis sites and ages. One of the amazing pieces is that the skill involved in the construction is unbelievable. The precision in the stone cutting surpasses Egypt. The hieroglyphs look like they share style with the AAztecs and Mayan . I wish people kept better records so we could know them.

Here is a shore link on the X DNA hapalog group in North America and parts of Europe and the Middle East.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_X_%28mtDNA%29

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Interesting, but not finding the evidence is only proof of not finding the evidence, not that the snag didn't happen.

N.A. was populated as long ago as 50,000 +/- BP. and possibly as early as 75,000 BP.

Herb... I agree with your first statement, but the fact that it was an amazing snag should lead it to be documented. This is going to turn into a he said she said discussion among archys, I can see it.

As for you second statement... what sort of evidence is there for these huge numbers? I have only seen numbers that say the SOUTH America was colonized well before Clovis time. Likely by Pacific islanders who outgrew their little oceanic rocks and sent sacrificial/exploratory boats out to the eastern horizon.

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The technology in stone carving and movement of big stones from the Easter Islanders would of been a big help here, but I'm not sure of their age right now.

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I don't see how it is conclusive? It shows that portion of the argument is weak for the theory, but I don't see "conclusive" disproval of the whole theory.

Brent Ashcraft

I agree completely with you! My word choice was meant to reflect the attitude presented by the article.

There is a bit of academic gloating going on, with the revelation that the sole piece of "evidence" that inspired the whole "theory" is not credible.

"There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant

“Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley

>Paleontology is an evolving science.

>May your wonders never cease!

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I agree completely with you! My word choice was meant to reflect the attitude presented by the article.

There is a bit of academic gloating going on, with the revelation that the sole piece of "evidence" that inspired the whole "theory" is not credible.

"Academic Gloat" is a good term. The people out of the University of Missouri have written a number of comments on this subject that I see as unprofessional. Makes me embarrassed as a Missourian. It is a contentious issue that I am not qualified to comment on, but such writing doesn't help.

Brent Ashcraft

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First, the PDF file of:

Eren, M. I., M. T. Boulanger, and M. J. O'Brien, 2015, The

Cinmar discovery and the proposed pre-Late Glacial

Maximum occupation of North America. Journal of

Archaeological Science. Reports, 2015;

DOI: 10.1016/j.jasrep.2015.03.001

can be found at:

1. http://cladistics.coas.missouri.edu/pdf_articles/2015_cinmar.pdf and

2. http://www.academia.edu/11730776/The_Cinmar_discovery_and_the_proposed_pre-Late_Glacial_Maximum_occupation_of_North_America

The official abstract is at:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352409X15000280

As far as Arthur Posnansky, who also claimed that Tiwanaku was

the source of all civilization in North, Central, and South America

and the New World was settled by Germanic people from Europe,

is concerned, his dating of the Tiwanaku Site has been reevaluated

and found to be badly flawed. Kelley and Milone (2002) examined

Posnansky's arguments and methodology and concluded that they

were invalid because they were a "sorry example of misused

archaeoastronomical evidence." A Radiocarbon date from the mound

fill underlying the stonework of the Puma Punka have dated it to

536–600 AD. As a result, the stonework comprising the the Puma

Punka must have been constructed sometime after 536–600 AD as

discussed by Vranich (1999, 2006). A more detailed discussion of

the age of the Puma Punka can be found in Yaeger and Vranich

(2013). This publication provides even more radiocarbon dates

that refute Posnansky's estimates of the age of the Tiwanaku Site.

References

Kelley, D. H., and E. F. Milone (2002) Exploring Ancient Skies An

Encyclopedic Survey of Archaeoastronomy. Springer Science+

Business Media, Inc., New York, NY 616 pp.

Vranich, A., 1999, Interpreting the Meaning of Ritual Spaces:

The Temple Complex of Pumapunku, Tiwanaku, Bolivia.

Doctoral Dissertation, The University of Pennsylvania.

Vranich, A., 2006, The Construction and Reconstruction of

Ritual Space at Tiwanaku, Bolivia: A.D. 500-1000. Journal

of Field Archaeology 31(2): 121–136.

Yaeger, J., and A. A. Vranich, 2013, A Radiocarbon Chronology

of the Pumapunku Complex and a Reassessment of the

Development of Tiwanaku, Bolivia. A. A. Vranich, ed.,

pp. 127-146. Advances in Titicaca Basin Archaeology II.

Levine Cotsen Institute of Archaeology, Los Angeles,

California

Yours,

Paul H.

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After reading the abstract, I went backed and looked at the first article. It was not written by the authors of the paper, but based on their work. No where in the abstract does it say that people did not migrate across Greenland, only that the Cinmar evidence is at best tainted, a valid point.

I should know better at this point when reading a blurb to assume it is accurate.

Brent Ashcraft

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Herb... I agree with your first statement, but the fact that it was an amazing snag should lead it to be documented. This is going to turn into a he said she said discussion among archys, I can see it.

As for you second statement... what sort of evidence is there for these huge numbers? I have only seen numbers that say the SOUTH America was colonized well before Clovis time. Likely by Pacific islanders who outgrew their little oceanic rocks and sent sacrificial/exploratory boats out to the eastern horizon.

the thinking was ( when I was studying New World Arch. back in the Pleistocene age) that the S.A. folks came down the normal way from the Bering bridge, came down the CALF. coast to S.A. We just haven't found much in the way of interim sites to mark their southern trek. The Islander theory is possible I guess, but I don't think they had boat making skill in 30,000 BP unless it was a raft. I don't believe the S.A. Indians resemble the Polynesians much, or were around in that time. IMHO

"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"_ Carl Sagen

No trees were killed in this posting......however, many innocent electrons were diverted from where they originally intended to go.

" I think, therefore I collect fossils." _ Me

"When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."__S. Holmes

"can't we all just get along?" Jack Nicholson from Mars Attacks

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Lots of fun to debate though.. :D

"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"_ Carl Sagen

No trees were killed in this posting......however, many innocent electrons were diverted from where they originally intended to go.

" I think, therefore I collect fossils." _ Me

"When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."__S. Holmes

"can't we all just get along?" Jack Nicholson from Mars Attacks

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