ElToro Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 (edited) I recently purchased this from a Chinese dealer (a reputable and knowledgeable dude unlike many from that part of the world). Im fairly certain its an Anomalocaris with some teeth clearly visible. I think the long horizontal impression is one of its graspers. Would like to confirm. Anybody? Edited November 7, 2015 by ElToro "That belongs in a museum!" - Indiana Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Hi, Pic ? Coco ---------------------- OUTIL POUR MESURER VOS FOSSILES : ici Ma bibliothèque PDF 1 (Poissons et sélaciens récents & fossiles) : ici Ma bibliothèque PDF 2 (Animaux vivants - sans poissons ni sélaciens) : ici Mâchoires sélaciennes récentes : ici Hétérodontiques et sélaciens : ici Oeufs sélaciens récents : ici Otolithes de poissons récents ! ici Un Greg... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElToro Posted November 7, 2015 Author Share Posted November 7, 2015 (edited) Just figured out how to successfully attach a pic. Here ya go. (PS These invertebrates go around the Chinese export ban by being classes as 'debris') Edited November 7, 2015 by ElToro "That belongs in a museum!" - Indiana Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElToro Posted November 7, 2015 Author Share Posted November 7, 2015 This an Anomalocaris fossil from Yunnan Province I'm thinking of buying. Anyone here have one? I'd love to hear your opinion before I buy. Thanx in advance ElToro "That belongs in a museum!" - Indiana Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
izak_ Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 We need a better picture to tell for sure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElToro Posted November 7, 2015 Author Share Posted November 7, 2015 It hasn't arrived yet but when it does I will post some good high quality pics. That's just a screenshot. "That belongs in a museum!" - Indiana Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElToro Posted November 7, 2015 Author Share Posted November 7, 2015 This another specimen from the same dealer and diggers. "That belongs in a museum!" - Indiana Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgehiker Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 No, don't purchase this. In 1995 a paper came out on Cambrian Anamlocaris from China. About a month later the market was flooded with fakes. I'm sure hundreds of these are still circulating. We saw one at the GSC ...(research on the Burgess Shale). I recall DR. Norris being impressed how good it was made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElToro Posted November 7, 2015 Author Share Posted November 7, 2015 I'm not so sure. These specimen arnt good enough for fakers. And Chinese fakers are terrible at invertebrates. The dealer has been recommended by a couple of serious collectors. I have spoken with the dealer and am quite happy. Invertebrates like the Anomalocaris are classed as "debris" and legal for export. PS. Any links to this '95 paper and subsequent Chinese fakes? The Moroccans are good at fake invertebrates, but not Chinese "That belongs in a museum!" - Indiana Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElToro Posted November 7, 2015 Author Share Posted November 7, 2015 Also, I have checked the Chinese Government list of fossils banned for export and Anomalocaris isn't on it. Like I say, debris "That belongs in a museum!" - Indiana Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 The first photo is small and very difficult to interpret. The second photo is interesting and deserves an expert evaluation. I would suggest contacting the leading specialist on anomalocaridids: Dr. Allison Daley Please post any updated information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElToro Posted November 7, 2015 Author Share Posted November 7, 2015 Cool, I'll definitely contact him! Studied the Anomalocaris at uni and its my favourite Cambrian critter. But I'll have to do it in the morning. Its 2am here. "That belongs in a museum!" - Indiana Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgehiker Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Cool, I'll definitely contact him! Studied the Anomalocaris at uni and its my favourite Cambrian critter. But I'll have to do it in the morning. Its 2am here. Also, I have checked the Chinese Government list of fossils banned for export and Anomalocaris isn't on it. Like I say, debris Good grief. Another case of 'wanting to believe'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 Good grief. Another case of 'wanting to believe'. Perhaps it's nothing more than a superficial likeness of a grasping appendage. It might belong to some other arthropod, let's wait until an actual expert looks at it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted November 7, 2015 Share Posted November 7, 2015 (edited) What can I say? I know the seller, I bought from him. I don't think he sell fakes. As I see the whole lot of fossil that is on sale on eBay have aprox. the same kind of matrix and all the fossils are the same color. Probably they were in the same strata of the Yunnan province. Maybe the price is a little "peppered". If you decide to buy, make an offer to the seller depending on how much it worth for you, but first wait the expert opinion. Edited November 7, 2015 by abyssunder " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElToro Posted November 8, 2015 Author Share Posted November 8, 2015 Yea,abyssunder, that's what two guys I know said. He's good for obscure arthropods and similar. I've already exchanged many messages with him about its provenance and th export ban. The item is actually super cheap so I'm buying it anyway. Its some other obscure Cambrian critter, great for collection. From my own analysis it looks good. "That belongs in a museum!" - Indiana Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElToro Posted November 8, 2015 Author Share Posted November 8, 2015 Yea, piranha, the Anomalocaris wasn't a proper arthropod. Its exoskeleton was softer so usually u just get the body fossil imprint except for the teeth. That's fine by me. That's what an Anomalocaris fossil is. "That belongs in a museum!" - Indiana Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElToro Posted November 9, 2015 Author Share Posted November 9, 2015 The first photo is small and very difficult to interpret. The second photo is interesting and deserves an expert evaluation. I would suggest contacting the leading specialist on anomalocaridids: Dr. Allison DaleyPlease post any updated information. Thanks heaps!! The update is that Dr Allison Daley isnt sure what's in the first pic because its not a good enough pic. The second pic appears to be an appendage of an Amblectobelua Symbrachiata (a great Anomalocaridid). There is a third specimen I have now purchased (at 2/3 price due to misidentified!) which Allison identified as Omnidens Amplus (the Great Worm of the Cambrian) and supplied an article about how to distinguishe them. I have passed this on to the seller. Again, thanx! 2 "That belongs in a museum!" - Indiana Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElToro Posted November 9, 2015 Author Share Posted November 9, 2015 Excerpts from article on how to distinguish Anomalocaris from Omnidens. "That belongs in a museum!" - Indiana Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 On 11/9/2015 at 6:44 AM, ElToro said: ...The second pic appears to be an appendage of an Amblectobelua Symbrachiata (a great Anomalocaridid)... Excellent news, it certainly looks like a good match! Here are some figures from the paper that described Amplectobelua symbrachiata as a new genus and species: Hou, X-G., Bergström, J., & Ahlberg, P. (1995) Anomalocaris and other large animals in the Lower Cambrian Chengjiang fauna of southwest China. GFF, 117:163-183 PDF LINK 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElToro Posted November 10, 2015 Author Share Posted November 10, 2015 Excellent news, it certainly looks like a good match! Here are some figures from the paper that described Amplectobelua symbrachiata as a new genus and species: IMG1.jpg Hou, X-G., Bergström, J., & Ahlberg, P. (1995) Anomalocaris and other large animals in the Lower Cambrian Chengjiang fauna of southwest China. GFF, 117:163-183 PDF LINK Thanx! Great article. Im very happy with Dr Daleys help. I think I'll send her an Anomalocaris plush toy as Thanx. "That belongs in a museum!" - Indiana Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElToro Posted November 14, 2015 Author Share Posted November 14, 2015 Excellent news, it certainly looks like a good match! Here are some figures from the paper that described Amplectobelua symbrachiata as a new genus and species: IMG1.jpg Hou, X-G., Bergström, J., & Ahlberg, P. (1995) Anomalocaris and other large animals in the Lower Cambrian Chengjiang fauna of southwest China. GFF, 117:163-183 PDF LINK Thanks for that mate. I acquired another Amoplectobelua (will be a while til he has more for sale). This one has a trilobite stuck on the spines at the end of the appendage! Possibly proof of trilobite predation by Anomalocaridids! "That belongs in a museum!" - Indiana Jones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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