GeschWhat Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Hi all, Here is another fun find from Sacha's Merritt Island matrix. As usual, I don't have a clue as to what kind of tooth it is (or maybe it's a claw?). The area around the base of the tooth reminds me of something you'd see at the base of an antler. Sorry parts of the specimen are a little blurry in the photo. It was hard to decide what part to focus on. I looked up every carnivore I could think of and came up with nada. Any help would be greatly appreciated! As a side note, I would like to extend a special thanks to Julianna, Marco Sr, Tony, and PA Fossil Finder for posting all your wonderful photos. It is super helpful! Lori www.areallycrappystory.com/fossils www.facebook.com/fossilpoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 That is a cool tooth! I hope someone can ID it for You, but I do not have a clue. Tony Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeschWhat Posted December 30, 2015 Author Share Posted December 30, 2015 That is a cool tooth! I hope someone can ID it for You, but I do not have a clue. Tony So nice of you to take the time, to post your comment using rhyme! Lori www.areallycrappystory.com/fossils www.facebook.com/fossilpoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 So nice of you to take the time, to post your comment using rhyme! Uh yah....oh, YAH! That was entirely intentional. (That is the story I am sticking with) Tony PS Thinking maybe a snake fang? But that is a wild guess. Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calhounensis Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 I was thinking something along the lines of a bat, perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcoSr Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 (edited) My first impression was bat also, a bat canine or incisor. Marco Sr. Edited December 30, 2015 by MarcoSr "Any day that you can fossil hunt is a great day." My family fossil website Some Of My Shark, Ray, Fish And Other Micros My Extant Shark Jaw Collection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowpoker Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 What ever it is, it is quite a lovely tooth. Good luck in identifying it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old bones Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 Really nice tooth, Lori! I'm in the bat camp as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeschWhat Posted December 30, 2015 Author Share Posted December 30, 2015 Excellent! I hate to admit it, but when I first found it, I thought it was a claw (because of the smooth hooked shape of the back surface). But then when I was researching it, I noticed none of the claws had a long extension (probably because it was the root of a tooth). Thanks everyone! Lori www.areallycrappystory.com/fossils www.facebook.com/fossilpoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeschWhat Posted December 30, 2015 Author Share Posted December 30, 2015 Uh yah....oh, YAH! That was entirely intentional. (That is the story I am sticking with) Tony PS Thinking maybe a snake fang? But that is a wild guess.O Funny...snakes are one of the first things I thought about (after claws), but when I looked them I couldn't find a match... Oh, and rhyming replies are ALWAYS appreciated! You must be a natural! Lori www.areallycrappystory.com/fossils www.facebook.com/fossilpoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpc Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 (edited) Beautiful little tooth. Not a snake, though. The little cusplets at the base tell me it is mammal. I don't know if bat canines have those little cusps,but it would be worth looking up. Otherwise,I would go with some sort of insectivore premolar. What is the age of this stuff? A quick google images search found this site...have a look...It does indeed look like a bat canine. Some of the pix I found of bat canines have the ridge at the base. There are also a few that have really pointy premolars. http://research.amnh.org/vz/mammalogy/research-activities/simmons-research-group Edited December 30, 2015 by jpc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 What is the age of this stiff? Pleistocene. Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 (edited) Here are some Middle Pleistocene bat teeth and more, from Israel for comparison: http://palaeo-electronica.org/content/component/content/category/182-380 Bat remains (Mammalia, Chiroptera) from the Middle Pleistocene site of Qesem Cave, Israel, with the first Pleistocene record of fruit bats in the Mediterranean region - Ivan Horáček, Lutz Christian Maul, K.T. Smith, Ran Barkai, and Avi Gopher http://palaeo-electronica.org/content/pdfs/380.pdf Edited December 30, 2015 by abyssunder 2 " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcoSr Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 When I first quickly looked at the tooth I thought bat canine. However, I edited my reply to include bat incisor. Bat incisors are highly variable by species. Some species of bat have a large pointed incisor close to the canine. The hollowed out look to the crown of the tooth on one side seems more reminiscent of an incisor. Hopefully a bat expert will chime in. Marco Sr. "Any day that you can fossil hunt is a great day." My family fossil website Some Of My Shark, Ray, Fish And Other Micros My Extant Shark Jaw Collection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeschWhat Posted December 31, 2015 Author Share Posted December 31, 2015 Beautiful little tooth. Not a snake, though. The little cusplets at the base tell me it is mammal. I don't know if bat canines have those little cusps,but it would be worth looking up. Otherwise,I would go with some sort of insectivore premolar. What is the age of this stuff? A quick google images search found this site...have a look...It does indeed look like a bat canine. Some of the pix I found of bat canines have the ridge at the base. There are also a few that have really pointy premolars. http://research.amnh.org/vz/mammalogy/research-activities/simmons-research-group Here are some Middle Pleistocene bat teeth and more, from Israel for comparison: 380.jpg http://palaeo-electronica.org/content/component/content/category/182-380 Bat remains (Mammalia, Chiroptera) from the Middle Pleistocene site of Qesem Cave, Israel, with the first Pleistocene record of fruit bats in the Mediterranean region - Ivan Horáček, Lutz Christian Maul, K.T. Smith, Ran Barkai, and Avi Gopher http://palaeo-electronica.org/content/pdfs/380.pdf Thank you both for this info. After looking at the photos and reading portions of the links you guys sent, I think all of you in the bat camp are dead on. JPC, I might try to contact the research group to see if I can get a look at their database. It would be really nice to have a database of our own to put all the Merritt Island micros in. Does anyone know if the forum has that capability? Lori www.areallycrappystory.com/fossils www.facebook.com/fossilpoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calhounensis Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 I believe the vertebrate paleo department at FLMNH would be the best place to start with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sacha Posted December 31, 2015 Share Posted December 31, 2015 Don Brunning and I are going to the Univ. of FL on Jan 8th to do some filming for the show. I had planned on talking to Richard Hulbert about their interest/involvment in the finds posted so far on the forum. I know he wanted to know about the more interesting finds and he specifically mentioned bat stuff. I had e-mailed him in Nov or Dec when postings from this matrix we starting to flow, but didn't hear back. He was heavily involved in a Levi County, FL site though and may have been distracted. I think the forum is a good spot to retain these photos and it works well as long as "Merritt Island" is consistently used as a key word to support searches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeschWhat Posted January 1, 2016 Author Share Posted January 1, 2016 Don Brunning and I are going to the Univ. of FL on Jan 8th to do some filming for the show. I had planned on talking to Richard Hulbert about their interest/involvment in the finds posted so far on the forum. I know he wanted to know about the more interesting finds and he specifically mentioned bat stuff. I had e-mailed him in Nov or Dec when postings from this matrix we starting to flow, but didn't hear back. He was heavily involved in a Levi County, FL site though and may have been distracted. I think the forum is a good spot to retain these photos and it works well as long as "Merritt Island" is consistently used as a key word to support searches. Sounds great! I totally agree the forum is a good spot to retain the photos, I just wish we had the ability to change the tags once we things are identified. It would make searching through old posts a lot quicker. Look forward to hearing what you find out! Lori www.areallycrappystory.com/fossils www.facebook.com/fossilpoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeschWhat Posted January 1, 2016 Author Share Posted January 1, 2016 I believe the vertebrate paleo department at FLMNH would be the best place to start with that. Good idea...thanks! Lori www.areallycrappystory.com/fossils www.facebook.com/fossilpoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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