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Merritt Island Matrix (Pleistocene) - Interesting Tooth?

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GeschWhat

Hi all,

Here is another fun find from Sacha's Merritt Island matrix. As usual, I don't have a clue as to what kind of tooth it is (or maybe it's a claw?). The area around the base of the tooth reminds me of something you'd see at the base of an antler. Sorry parts of the specimen are a little blurry in the photo. It was hard to decide what part to focus on. :wacko: I looked up every carnivore I could think of and came up with nada. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

As a side note, I would like to extend a special thanks to Julianna, Marco Sr, Tony, and PA Fossil Finder for posting all your wonderful photos. It is super helpful!

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ynot

That is a cool tooth! I hope someone can ID it for You, but I do not have a clue.

Tony

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GeschWhat

That is a cool tooth! I hope someone can ID it for You, but I do not have a clue.

Tony

So nice of you to take the time,

to post your comment using rhyme! :D

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ynot

So nice of you to take the time,

to post your comment using rhyme! :D

Uh yah....oh, YAH! That was entirely intentional. ;)B) (That is the story I am sticking with) :rofl:

Tony

PS Thinking maybe a snake fang? But that is a wild guess.

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calhounensis

I was thinking something along the lines of a bat, perhaps.

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MarcoSr

My first impression was bat also, a bat canine or incisor.

Marco Sr.

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Slowpoker

What ever it is, it is quite a lovely tooth.

Good luck in identifying it!

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old bones

Really nice tooth, Lori! I'm in the bat camp as well.

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GeschWhat

Excellent! I hate to admit it, but when I first found it, I thought it was a claw (because of the smooth hooked shape of the back surface). But then when I was researching it, I noticed none of the claws had a long extension (probably because it was the root of a tooth). Thanks everyone!

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GeschWhat

Uh yah....oh, YAH! That was entirely intentional. ;)B) (That is the story I am sticking with) :rofl:

Tony

PS Thinking maybe a snake fang? But that is a wild guess.O

Funny...snakes are one of the first things I thought about (after claws), but when I looked them I couldn't find a match...

Oh, and rhyming replies are ALWAYS appreciated! :D You must be a natural!

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jpc

Beautiful little tooth. Not a snake, though. The little cusplets at the base tell me it is mammal. I don't know if bat canines have those little cusps,but it would be worth looking up. Otherwise,I would go with some sort of insectivore premolar. What is the age of this stuff?

A quick google images search found this site...have a look...It does indeed look like a bat canine. Some of the pix I found of bat canines have the ridge at the base. There are also a few that have really pointy premolars.

http://research.amnh.org/vz/mammalogy/research-activities/simmons-research-group

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ynot

What is the age of this stiff?

Pleistocene.

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abyssunder

Here are some Middle Pleistocene bat teeth and more, from Israel for comparison: post-17588-0-74466700-1451501191_thumb.jpg http://palaeo-electronica.org/content/component/content/category/182-380

Bat remains (Mammalia, Chiroptera) from the Middle Pleistocene site of Qesem Cave, Israel, with the first Pleistocene record of fruit bats in the Mediterranean region - Ivan Horáček, Lutz Christian Maul, K.T. Smith, Ran Barkai, and Avi Gopher http://palaeo-electronica.org/content/pdfs/380.pdf

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MarcoSr

When I first quickly looked at the tooth I thought bat canine. However, I edited my reply to include bat incisor. Bat incisors are highly variable by species. Some species of bat have a large pointed incisor close to the canine. The hollowed out look to the crown of the tooth on one side seems more reminiscent of an incisor. Hopefully a bat expert will chime in.

Marco Sr.

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GeschWhat

Beautiful little tooth. Not a snake, though. The little cusplets at the base tell me it is mammal. I don't know if bat canines have those little cusps,but it would be worth looking up. Otherwise,I would go with some sort of insectivore premolar. What is the age of this stuff?

A quick google images search found this site...have a look...It does indeed look like a bat canine. Some of the pix I found of bat canines have the ridge at the base. There are also a few that have really pointy premolars.

http://research.amnh.org/vz/mammalogy/research-activities/simmons-research-group

Here are some Middle Pleistocene bat teeth and more, from Israel for comparison: attachicon.gif380.jpg http://palaeo-electronica.org/content/component/content/category/182-380

Bat remains (Mammalia, Chiroptera) from the Middle Pleistocene site of Qesem Cave, Israel, with the first Pleistocene record of fruit bats in the Mediterranean region - Ivan Horáček, Lutz Christian Maul, K.T. Smith, Ran Barkai, and Avi Gopher http://palaeo-electronica.org/content/pdfs/380.pdf

Thank you both for this info. After looking at the photos and reading portions of the links you guys sent, I think all of you in the bat camp are dead on. JPC, I might try to contact the research group to see if I can get a look at their database. It would be really nice to have a database of our own to put all the Merritt Island micros in. Does anyone know if the forum has that capability?

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calhounensis

I believe the vertebrate paleo department at FLMNH would be the best place to start with that.

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Sacha

Don Brunning and I are going to the Univ. of FL on Jan 8th to do some filming for the show. I had planned on talking to Richard Hulbert about their interest/involvment in the finds posted so far on the forum. I know he wanted to know about the more interesting finds and he specifically mentioned bat stuff. I had e-mailed him in Nov or Dec when postings from this matrix we starting to flow, but didn't hear back. He was heavily involved in a Levi County, FL site though and may have been distracted.

I think the forum is a good spot to retain these photos and it works well as long as "Merritt Island" is consistently used as a key word to support searches.

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GeschWhat

Don Brunning and I are going to the Univ. of FL on Jan 8th to do some filming for the show. I had planned on talking to Richard Hulbert about their interest/involvment in the finds posted so far on the forum. I know he wanted to know about the more interesting finds and he specifically mentioned bat stuff. I had e-mailed him in Nov or Dec when postings from this matrix we starting to flow, but didn't hear back. He was heavily involved in a Levi County, FL site though and may have been distracted.

I think the forum is a good spot to retain these photos and it works well as long as "Merritt Island" is consistently used as a key word to support searches.

Sounds great! I totally agree the forum is a good spot to retain the photos, I just wish we had the ability to change the tags once we things are identified. It would make searching through old posts a lot quicker. Look forward to hearing what you find out!

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GeschWhat

I believe the vertebrate paleo department at FLMNH would be the best place to start with that.

Good idea...thanks!

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