PrehistoricFlorida Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Not much, but here are a couple cat teeth and a couple points. The Clovis is a real heartbreaker. www.PrehistoricFlorida.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkchaser Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 The clovis might be a heartbreaker but I wouldn't throw it away! Nice finds. RAWR! I am zeee dead bobcat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashcraft Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Are the points naturally black, or is it Mn staining? If it is staining, do you try to clean them? Brent Ashcraft ashcraft, brent allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrehistoricFlorida Posted April 22, 2009 Author Share Posted April 22, 2009 Are the points naturally black, or is it Mn staining? If it is staining, do you try to clean them?Brent Ashcraft It's staining from the tannins. The material underneath the stain is much lighter. The staining can be removed with various acids, but only a fool would do that. www.PrehistoricFlorida.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmorefossil Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 i like the rings on the root of the first one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cris Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Amazing stuff...Any idea what kind of cats? The clovis sure is a heart breaker...It looks like an impact fracture, though. I'd rather know it broke hitting something rather than any other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashcraft Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 It's staining from the tannins. The material underneath the stain is much lighter. The staining can be removed with various acids, but only a fool would do that. Why is cleaning them such a bad thing? Is it a value issue? I would think that cleaning them to see what kind of chert it is would be interesting. If it is tannins, wouldn't bacterial action eventually eat it away anyway? Brent Ashcraft ashcraft, brent allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnJ Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Amazing stuff...Any idea what kind of cats? The clovis sure is a heart breaker...It looks like an impact fracture, though. I'd rather know it broke hitting something rather than any other way. Good eye, Cris. The human mind has the ability to believe anything is true. - JJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tracer Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 i love both points, and the first cat tooth is amazing. as for cleaning the points, i totally cringe at the thought. the clovis isn't a heartbreaker to me. i like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholas Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Great finds! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Why is cleaning them such a bad thing? Is it a value issue? I would think that cleaning them to see what kind of chert it is would be interesting. If it is tannins, wouldn't bacterial action eventually eat it away anyway?Brent Ashcraft Probably like cleaning a rare coin or an antique; the patina of age is desirable. "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrehistoricFlorida Posted April 23, 2009 Author Share Posted April 23, 2009 Both teeth are likely jaguar, haven't reached a 100% ID on either yet though. Cleaning tannin stained points would turn them a lighter color, basically like a land-found point. Land-found points aren't worth a quarter of what river points are worth. The Clovis does have an impact fracture on both sides of the tip. However, the point has also been in a fire which caused crazing over the entire point and weakened the ear that also had recently popped off (I didn't do it). www.PrehistoricFlorida.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest N.AL.hunter Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Question for you... why the value difference between land points and river points? And I sure do like the teeth!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrehistoricFlorida Posted April 23, 2009 Author Share Posted April 23, 2009 Color, river polish, more hydrated materials (not dried out and chalky). Which do you like more?? Click Here www.PrehistoricFlorida.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cris Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Both teeth are likely jaguar, haven't reached a 100% ID on either yet though.Cleaning tannin stained points would turn them a lighter color, basically like a land-found point. Land-found points aren't worth a quarter of what river points are worth. The Clovis does have an impact fracture on both sides of the tip. However, the point has also been in a fire which caused crazing over the entire point and weakened the ear that also had recently popped off (I didn't do it). Now that's something I've never heard of before. Can an impact fracture happen on both sides by a single impact or is that evidence that it was resharpened after one of the impact fractures and used again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest N.AL.hunter Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Hey that picture was worth more than a 1000 words... now I know why. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Not much, but here are a couple cat teeth and a couple points. The Clovis is a real heartbreaker. This just isn't fair; every time you post some of your superb finds, I want to start collecting them. Those cat teeth would be a centerpiece of any riker mount. I assume they're sold by now? "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrehistoricFlorida Posted April 23, 2009 Author Share Posted April 23, 2009 Now that's something I've never heard of before. Can an impact fracture happen on both sides by a single impact or is that evidence that it was resharpened after one of the impact fractures and used again? Could've been multiple impacts, but it was likely just one. There are no signs of resharpening. www.PrehistoricFlorida.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrehistoricFlorida Posted April 23, 2009 Author Share Posted April 23, 2009 This just isn't fair; every time you post some of your superb finds, I want to start collecting them. Those cat teeth would be a centerpiece of any riker mount.I assume they're sold by now? No, I still have both of them. =) www.PrehistoricFlorida.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 No, I still have both of them. =) If you're keeping them for your own collection, then they must be super choice. "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmorefossil Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 yep, when i see some of the stuff you sell i go no! save it but your collection is so big and you have so many great finds you dont need to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrehistoricFlorida Posted April 23, 2009 Author Share Posted April 23, 2009 Well, I'm keeping the carnassial for now. The premolar will be sold, I just haven't gotten any good offers on it yet. www.PrehistoricFlorida.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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