doushantuo Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 For the record:Mr Hans the Loser certainly knows his corals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeschWhat Posted November 14, 2017 Author Share Posted November 14, 2017 5 hours ago, Tidgy's Dad said: Could it be found in through the Upper Creataceous to the Middle Eocene? Seems to me there are a lot of animals that have changed little over time - horseshoe crabs and gars for instance. Lori www.areallycrappystory.com/fossils www.facebook.com/fossilpoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Similar to Cycloseris Wellsii,but that's NOT an taxonomic asessement Below: Cunnolitids from the relevant Tethyan carbonate platforms (El-Asaad,1990,Jo.Afr.Earth Sc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pachy Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 10 hours ago, doushantuo said: For the record:Mr Hans the Loser certainly knows his corals Yes, he certainly knows his corals. I know who Hans the Loser really is. Anyone with an interest in fossil corals would know who he is. In addition, the pseudonym is very clear. Having said that, I don´t think there is any problem in raising the reasonable doubts that everyone can see. As you have done with this: "Similar to Cycloseris Wellsii,but that's NOT an taxonomic asessement Below: Cunnolitids from the relevant Tethyan carbonate platforms (El-Asaad,1990,Jo.Afr.Earth Sc)" He will answer the questions, the opinions and the doubts, if he wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 His alias is "slightly" perspicaceous. I read stuff that hails from Barcelona,BTW I do not raise doubts,and i tend to stay away from gastropod/anthozoan/selachian trilobite taxonomy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pachy Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 8 minutes ago, doushantuo said: His alias is "slightly" perspicaceous. I read stuff that hails from Barcelona,BTW I do not raise doubts,and i tend to stay away from gastropod/anthozoan taxonomy I do raise doubts. I am going to allow myself to give my opinion about his anterior post. The materials you present have nothing to do with what we are dealing with here, apart from the more or less reasonable similarity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pachy Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 And lateral shots of the Spanish Bartonian materials. Maybe my hands are firmer than yours,Tidgy's Dad . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 In the following picture is clearly visible that Cunnolites has a hemispherical not so flattened shape in lateral view. The specimens in question and those from the comparative images posted in the topic have a totally different shape. I would rule out Cunnolites / Cyclolites. Cretaceous solitary corals (Cunnolites) These small solitary coral have some cm in diameter and lived in the deeper, tranquil part of the Cretaceous Sea. They had a flattened shape, to avoid sinking into the soft sediment. These forms, originally known as Cyclolites are recently classified into the genus Cunnolites. The once diverse group went to extinct already in the Eocene. The similarly shaped extant Fungia corals are not closely related to these Cretaceous forms. The illustrated specimens were collected from the Bakony Mountains, in the vicinity of Sümeg. Provenance Identifier: HNHM-PAL_M.63.1806 Institution: Hungarian Natural History Museum Creator: Főzy, I. link to source " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pachy Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 abyssunder posted information stating: "These forms, originally known as Cyclolites are recently classified into the genus Cunnolites." I can assure you that Hans The Loser will not agree with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeschWhat Posted November 14, 2017 Author Share Posted November 14, 2017 I had one left. I don't know if this will help, but I included some magnified images. Lori www.areallycrappystory.com/fossils www.facebook.com/fossilpoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pachy Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 WOW, this will help, yes. A lot. Good presentation from the specimen. Similar to Funginellastraea. Cretaceous age is a problem. I agree with Hans The Loser, it is necessary to prepare materials to reach a conclusion. And my congratulations to the administrators-moderators. Good job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeschWhat Posted November 14, 2017 Author Share Posted November 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Pachy said: it is necessary to prepare materials to reach a conclusion Does this mean I should prep the specimen to remove the remaining matrix? Lori www.areallycrappystory.com/fossils www.facebook.com/fossilpoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidgy's Dad Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Maybe we could tentatively push the range back to Upper Cretaceous, Or else these rocks in Morocco and Spain are actually Eocene in age and not Cretaceous? See The beds are clearly close together. Life's Good! Tortoise Friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pachy Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 24 minutes ago, GeschWhat said: Does this mean I should prep the specimen to remove the remaining matrix? No. That means getting thin sections or at least polished sections to be able to observe the internal skeletal elements of the specimens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pachy Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 21 minutes ago, Tidgy's Dad said: Maybe we could tentatively push the range back to Upper Cretaceous, Or else these rocks in Morocco and Spain are actually Eocene in age and not Cretaceous? See The beds are clearly close together. Those materials and those rocks in Spain are of Eocene age. I know that area and those materials. As well as their age. What I don´t know is your area in Morocco, the age of those materials and those lands you must tell us. You report Cretaceous age and that is a problem for Funginellastraea. If you tell me Eocene age for your materials, I'll tell you Funginellastraea. But if you says Cretaceous, I can´t do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidgy's Dad Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 This area has certain Cretaceous fossils. Dinosaurs are found here. But at exactly which level everything comes from in these deep gorges is very uncertain. i am not aware that any of the fossils here have been considered Eocene, but this is Morocco and there is still so much that has not been properly studied. Life's Good! Tortoise Friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pachy Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 The contacts between Eocene and Upper Cretaceous are very frequent in my area. I collect corals from the Eocene in an area and at a very short distance I pick up Cretaceous sea urchins. Perhaps something similar may happen in your area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidgy's Dad Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 it's a long way from my area, but you may be right. However, I have never seen a certain Eocene fossil found here. But in Morocco these beds often continue from Cretaceous though early Eocene with some of the same species found within both, see the phosphate beds where some species become extinct at the boundary and others persevere or the Moroccan Sahara where the same occurs. Life's Good! Tortoise Friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 going back to an old remark made by Peat: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pachy Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Amos pallá.We're going over there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pachy Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 About the Spanish Bartonian material. No fulturae, no Fungia, no Cycloseris. Sawn edges and aligned granules. Funginellastraea. So far what gives the level "I have touched many of these bugs and I have studied the subject " (Superior amateur level) in terms of laterals and edges of septa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pachy Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 To Tidgy's Dad. Biblio for 9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pachy Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 I don´t know if it matches the area of the specimens, but the platform extends through Tunisia, Algeria and Morocco. In case it is helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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