Troodon Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Genera include Pachycephalosaurus, Stegoceras, Stygimoloch, and Dracorex in MT, SD and WY and all are found in the Hell Creek and Lance Formations although my specimens are just from the HC. I've identified these domes based on my, best guess, using accepted convention, however, in 2007 Horner presented a theory which proposed that Dracorex hogwartsia and Stygimoloch spinifer are growth stages of Pachycephalosaurus wyomingensis and represent an ontogenetic series of P. wyomingensis with Dracorex being the youngest. Pachycephalosaurid indet.: I think the shape is that of a P. wyomingensis but not certain, why I labeled it indet. Braincase cavities visible in ventral view Views: Dorsal, Left Lateral, Ventral Stegoceras sp.: Braincase cavities very evident in ventral view. Views: Dorsal, Left Lateral, Ventral Pachycephalosaurus wyomingensis: Interesting partial dome. One gets a great view on how thick these domes were, this one is a whopping 4 inches. A closeup of the structure of the layer beneath the outer surface is quite interesting. Views: Lateral, Dorsal, Ventral, Closeup 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted February 28, 2016 Author Share Posted February 28, 2016 (edited) Stygimoloch spinifer: Beautiful dome and spike cluster both were found close together. Largest spike is 3" long, no repair or restoration. Views: Left Lateral, Right Lateral, Ventral, Anterior Spike cluster: Edited February 28, 2016 by Troodon 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 The "Bone Heads" are terribly interesting; they just beg the question "Why?". "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted February 28, 2016 Author Share Posted February 28, 2016 The "Bone Heads" are terribly interesting; they just beg the question "Why?". Why is right, we probably will never know, just lots speculation unless we get that time machine working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caldigger Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Ya, the flux capacitor is on the brink and parts for those are hard to find these days. Mother Nature had some strange defensive mechanisms going at that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwigia Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 (edited) The "Bone Heads" are terribly interesting; they just beg the question "Why?". I remember we once placed tacks on our history teacher's chair.... Edited February 28, 2016 by Ludwigia Greetings from the Lake of Constance. Roger http://www.steinkern.de/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susan from PA Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 The Pachycephalosaurs are some of my favorites! Your domes and spike cluster are beautiful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arion Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 (edited) The morphology of the nasofrontal boss and the posterior margin of the parietal of your first specimen is more consistent with Prenocephale (Sphaerotholus), of which I believe P. edmontonense is known from the Hell Creek Formation. I'd also suggest that the specimen you have identified as Stegoceras is not identifiable at the genus level; it falls within the size range, but Stegoceras is currently restricted to the Campanian as far as I know, and that specimen lacks any observable characters I can see that would support identification with Stegoceras. It does seem to be pathologic, which is intriguing Edited February 29, 2016 by Arion 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Andy- Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Once again, a set of amazing fossils any dinosaur collector would love to have Looking forward to meeting my fellow Singaporean collectors! Do PM me if you are a Singaporean, or an overseas fossil-collector coming here for a holiday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted February 29, 2016 Author Share Posted February 29, 2016 The morphology of the nasofrontal boss and the posterior margin of the parietal of your first specimen is more consistent with Prenocephale (Sphaerotholus), of which I believe P. edmontonense is known from the Hell Creek Formation. I'd also suggest that the specimen you have identified as Stegoceras is not identifiable at the genus level; it falls within the size range, but Stegoceras is currently restricted to the Campanian as far as I know, and that specimen lacks any observable characters I can see that would support identification with Stegoceras. It does seem to be pathologic, which is intriguing Thank you for your comments. I did not consider Prenocephale since my understanding was that its range was Campanian/early Maastrichtian (Horseshoe Canyon Fm) and not the Hell Creek Fm. Will follow-up on that. My call on Stegoceras was based solely on size since no other genus has been ascribed to the HC. Bigelow does show a Stegoceras sp. in his HC fauna list but it may not be current. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runner64 Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Neat finds. Did you find them yourself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted February 29, 2016 Author Share Posted February 29, 2016 Unfortunately never found any of these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arion Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Thank you for your comments. I did not consider Prenocephale since my understanding was that its range was Campanian/early Maastrichtian (Horseshoe Canyon Fm) and not the Hell Creek Fm. Will follow-up on that. My call on Stegoceras was based solely on size since no other genus has been ascribed to the HC. Bigelow does show a Stegoceras sp. in his HC fauna list but it may not be current. I think a large part of it depends on your taxonomic views. Prenocephale edmontonense was originally from the Horseshoe Canyon Formation, but some (including myself) consider Sphaerotholus to be congeneric with Prenocephale and S. bucholtzae (from the HC Fm) to be conspecific with P. edmontonensis. My understanding is that all Maastrichtian Stegoceras material has been transferred to Prenocephale/Sphaerotholus and that Stegoceras sensu stricto is limited to S. validum (including Gravitholus and S. novomexicanum) plus whatever the chimera of "S. sternbergi" ultimately turns out to be. The amount of inflation on the second specimen would suggest to me that it's probably a juvenile (based on ontogenetic frontoparietal dome development in Stegoceras and Colepiocephale, I believe it was Ryan Schott who wrote a paper about that a few years ago), so size may not be a useful character for identifying it. I still think it's very interesting taphonomically/pathologically I've always been partial to Pachycephalosaurs, so very cool to have those in your collection. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgehiker Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 I restrict my identifications to 'big' and 'small'. I have found a few small specimens in the Oldman Formation...a couple of much bigger specimens in the Horseshoe Canyon ( borderline Scollard) Formation. I must walk by dozens of the smaller domes in the Campanian and never notice them. Unless some reason to stop and examine a specimen, they look for the most part like a 'hunk of fossil junk' mixed in with a hundred other bone bits. Even If a stegoceras dome is picked up it could be mistaken for a worn vertebra, bone end, etc. and discarded. I only found my first one because a friend showed me what to look for. Another friend, who has much sharper eyes than me has never found one although he has a knack for finding just about everything else. Anyways, there is a real bias in what is collected because of size, shape, etc. Both domes and pachycephalosaur teeth are easily overlooked. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted February 29, 2016 Author Share Posted February 29, 2016 I think a large part of it depends on your taxonomic views. Prenocephale edmontonense was originally from the Horseshoe Canyon Formation, but some (including myself) consider Sphaerotholus to be congeneric with Prenocephale and S. bucholtzae (from the HC Fm) to be conspecific with P. edmontonensis. My understanding is that all Maastrichtian Stegoceras material has been transferred to Prenocephale/Sphaerotholus and that Stegoceras sensu stricto is limited to S. validum (including Gravitholus and S. novomexicanum) plus whatever the chimera of "S. sternbergi" ultimately turns out to be. The amount of inflation on the second specimen would suggest to me that it's probably a juvenile (based on ontogenetic frontoparietal dome development in Stegoceras and Colepiocephale, I believe it was Ryan Schott who wrote a paper about that a few years ago), so size may not be a useful character for identifying it. I still think it's very interesting taphonomically/pathologically I've always been partial to Pachycephalosaurs, so very cool to have those in your collection. Thank you for the additional information and will give me something to research. I just downloaded Ryan's paper and will take a look at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgehiker Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 (edited) Here's one from the Maastrichtian. No others found in the area so I just call him Bonehead...reflects both his thick skull and minuscule brain cavity. Edited February 29, 2016 by Ridgehiker 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted November 3, 2016 Author Share Posted November 3, 2016 Here is a new addition to my collection an infant Squamosal from a Pachycephalosaurus and probably one of the smallest in captivity I've added a photo of a juvenile skull to see where it's located. It looks complete and I think its the right one but I'm open to either side. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFOOLEY Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Very nice...juvenile material is fascinating. "I am glad I shall never be young without wild country to be young in. Of what avail are forty freedoms without a blank spot on the map?" ~Aldo Leopold (1887-1948) New Mexico Museum of Natural History Bulletins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordTrilobite Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 So I assume you consider Dracorex a juvenile Pachycephalosaurus then? Cool fossil. Olof Moleman AKA Lord Trilobite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted November 3, 2016 Author Share Posted November 3, 2016 Yes to your question but only came to that conclusion after reading the research paper, linked below, a couple of times and if I interpreted the findings correctly by a paleontologist that I respect very much in David Evans of the ROM. Horner came to this conclusion much earlier but Evans/Goodwin paper had pretty hard evidence that Dracorex and Stygimoloch are just juvenile and subadult Pachycephalosaurus. I thank member Susan from PA for correcting my first misread of this document Pachy Evans.pdf 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susan from PA Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Beautiful specimen, Troodon! Thanks for sharing the paper as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 Gotta love the juveniles! Tony Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 Thanks for the VERY timely posting/sharing of that paper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted November 6, 2016 Author Share Posted November 6, 2016 On 11/3/2016 at 0:57 PM, PFOOLEY said: Very nice...juvenile material is fascinating. Thanks, I agree and whenever I have an opportunity to acquire it or luckier find it it's awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracorex_hogwartsia Posted November 6, 2016 Share Posted November 6, 2016 I've often wondered why Pachy skull material is always found so broken up. These are very solid bones. I wonder what forces are causing them to break up the way they do? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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