Shamalama Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 While going through some of the stuff I found at St. Clair last week, I came across a couple of pieces I picked up thinking they were large Neuropteris leaves. A closer look revealed a different kind of veination more akin to an insect wing than a leaf. I am flat out flabbergasted! I'd heard of insects being found in Carboniferous strata but never expected to find some myself. I could be wrong (just read through some of my arguments with Solius ) but I think my instinct is correct. Positive and Negative of wing Closer view of the second pic -Dave __________________________________________________ Geologists on the whole are inconsistent drivers. When a roadcut presents itself, they tend to lurch and weave. To them, the roadcut is a portal, a fragment of a regional story, a proscenium arch that leads their imaginations into the earth and through the surrounding terrain. - John McPheeIf I'm going to drive safely, I can't do geology. - John McPheeCheck out my Blog for more fossils I've found: http://viewsofthemahantango.blogspot.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worthy 55 Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 Very cool. It's my bone!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommabetts Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholas Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 How big, just curious they are very nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barefootgirl Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 That is probably the coolest thing Ive seen on here in a while. Congrats on the find you lucky dog! In formal logic, a contradiction is the signal of defeat: but in the evolution of real knowledge, it marks the first step in progress toward victory. Alfred North Whithead 'Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia!' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyquest Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Whatever it is, it sure makes for an interesting fossil. Maybe this website can help: http://www.windsofkansas.com/fossil_insects.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shorty Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Wow! Those are very cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiphactinus Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 If you want something named after you, donate that to a museum. When I found a Pennsylvanian wing similar to yours, I was told they are so rare that they are almost always a new species. The one I found was! Cool find!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Menser Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Nice wing. Bet your wanting to go back and see if you can find the rest of the critter... Be true to the reality you create. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shorty Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Maybe your wings fell off this little guy! Palaeodictyopterida from Mazon Creek, pit 11. about 2.5 inches long 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamalama Posted May 3, 2009 Author Share Posted May 3, 2009 I'm not sure what they fell off of, but they sure are neat! I looked all through my pieces to see if any others were found. I'm a little surprised there isn't some part of the body preserved too. Maybe something caught the bug and ate the body but the wings fell off during consumption. Xiphactinus: That is not a bad idea about donating to a museum. I will have to think about that. Nicholas: the wing has a length of 38mm and is 10mm at the widest point narrowing down to 3.5mm. Thanks for the comments guys, I still can't believe that I found them. -Dave __________________________________________________ Geologists on the whole are inconsistent drivers. When a roadcut presents itself, they tend to lurch and weave. To them, the roadcut is a portal, a fragment of a regional story, a proscenium arch that leads their imaginations into the earth and through the surrounding terrain. - John McPheeIf I'm going to drive safely, I can't do geology. - John McPheeCheck out my Blog for more fossils I've found: http://viewsofthemahantango.blogspot.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamalama Posted May 3, 2009 Author Share Posted May 3, 2009 Whatever it is, it sure makes for an interesting fossil. Maybe this website can help: http://www.windsofkansas.com/fossil_insects.html Wow, neat site! I can see that the wing drawings they have look very similar to what I found so maybe it's from a dragonfly. the more I look at it I think I see a couple of pieces of other wings nearby. -Dave __________________________________________________ Geologists on the whole are inconsistent drivers. When a roadcut presents itself, they tend to lurch and weave. To them, the roadcut is a portal, a fragment of a regional story, a proscenium arch that leads their imaginations into the earth and through the surrounding terrain. - John McPheeIf I'm going to drive safely, I can't do geology. - John McPheeCheck out my Blog for more fossils I've found: http://viewsofthemahantango.blogspot.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebrocklds Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 Wow, neat site! I can see that the wing drawings they have look very similar to what I found so maybe it's from a dragonfly. the more I look at it I think I see a couple of pieces of other wings nearby. Not technically a dragonfly. look at Paleodictyoptera and Megasecoptera. they are both carboniferous winged insect groups. i found a complete megasecopteran from a very old strata, late mississippian. after a few years of research i believe it to be the oldest wings found to date. it is very likely there are older ones because they are fairly complex veination with many cross veins. either way very cool find. i would love to hear what you do with it and where it end up. Brock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xiphactinus Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 I'm not sure what they fell off of, but they sure are neat! I looked all through my pieces to see if any others were found. I'm a little surprised there isn't some part of the body preserved too. Maybe something caught the bug and ate the body but the wings fell off during consumption.Xiphactinus: That is not a bad idea about donating to a museum. I will have to think about that. Nicholas: the wing has a length of 38mm and is 10mm at the widest point narrowing down to 3.5mm. Thanks for the comments guys, I still can't believe that I found them. The wing I found is briefly mentioned at the bottom of this page: http://www.windsofkansas.com/other_beds.ht...(Pennsylvanian) It's now in the collections of the Univ of Kansas. I got to correspond with Frank Carpenter of Harvard, the fossil insect guy of the world before he passed. Kind of cool to know he described the fossil I found and named it after me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shorty Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 The wing I found is briefly mentioned at the bottom of this page:http://www.windsofkansas.com/other_beds.ht...(Pennsylvanian) It's now in the collections of the Univ of Kansas. I got to correspond with Frank Carpenter of Harvard, the fossil insect guy of the world before he passed. Kind of cool to know he described the fossil I found and named it after me. That's very cool! Congratulations! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamalama Posted May 4, 2009 Author Share Posted May 4, 2009 The wing I found is briefly mentioned at the bottom of this page:http://www.windsofkansas.com/other_beds.ht...(Pennsylvanian) It's now in the collections of the Univ of Kansas. I got to correspond with Frank Carpenter of Harvard, the fossil insect guy of the world before he passed. Kind of cool to know he described the fossil I found and named it after me. Very cool indeed! -Dave __________________________________________________ Geologists on the whole are inconsistent drivers. When a roadcut presents itself, they tend to lurch and weave. To them, the roadcut is a portal, a fragment of a regional story, a proscenium arch that leads their imaginations into the earth and through the surrounding terrain. - John McPheeIf I'm going to drive safely, I can't do geology. - John McPheeCheck out my Blog for more fossils I've found: http://viewsofthemahantango.blogspot.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Dactyll Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Beautiful fossils........ have you noticed any other 'critter' material contained within the shales? Cheers Steve... And Welcome if your a New Member... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest N.AL.hunter Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Really nice finds! Remember it isn't classy to name something after yourself, so if you have found something new, I will not object to it being named after me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyquest Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Hey, is that a leg right at the base of the wing? You could name it the Shamalama Wing Wong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtdog Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 Man that's no leaf! For the benefit of us novices, Shamalama, what "media" is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamalama Posted May 8, 2009 Author Share Posted May 8, 2009 Jonny: I am not sure if it's a carbonized leg, I didn't want to say it was and be wrong. Kurtdog: It's preserved in a fine grained, black shale that splits pretty easily. -Dave __________________________________________________ Geologists on the whole are inconsistent drivers. When a roadcut presents itself, they tend to lurch and weave. To them, the roadcut is a portal, a fragment of a regional story, a proscenium arch that leads their imaginations into the earth and through the surrounding terrain. - John McPheeIf I'm going to drive safely, I can't do geology. - John McPheeCheck out my Blog for more fossils I've found: http://viewsofthemahantango.blogspot.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Boy Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 Jonny: I am not sure if it's a carbonized leg, I didn't want to say it was and be wrong.Kurtdog: It's preserved in a fine grained, black shale that splits pretty easily. Very cool stuff Shamalama! Kevin Wilson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtdog Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Very cool stuff Shamalama! Ditto! Take good care of that! :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redlichia Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 It's a very good and an important find,compliments Shamalama! if you have find these,is probabe that they are again in the same section of the layers,try again in the same position,I hope for you for a big luck Cheers, ->>>>> < Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 Shamalama's got a hot rockhammer!!! Congratulations X10!!! "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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