Scylla Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 It's all in the Notocord. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/17/science/solving-the-tully-monsterscold-case.html?_r=0 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 (edited) Thanks for the link, Gus! How've you been??? Edited March 16, 2016 by Fossildude19 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCFossils Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 I heard a paper redescribing the enigmatic "Tully Monster" was in the works. I never would have imagined that it was a chordate. Here are a few pictures of my best example and one of the best ever collected from the Mazon Creek deposit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCFossils Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Heads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCFossils Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Tails Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scylla Posted March 16, 2016 Author Share Posted March 16, 2016 Thanks for the link, Gus! How've you been??? Too busy But last weekend I did get to collect a couple of hours in the Mahantango and a half-hour (yes only a half hour) at the briggs road site How about you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scylla Posted March 16, 2016 Author Share Posted March 16, 2016 I heard a paper redescribing the enigmatic "Tully Monster" was in the works. I never would have imagined that it was a chordate. Here are a few pictures of my best example and one of the best ever collected from the Mazon Creek deposit. Every Tully Monster fossil makes me jealous Thanks for showing us yours! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Too busy But last weekend I did get to collect a couple of hours in the Mahantango and a half-hour (yes only a half hour) at the briggs road site How about you? I'm well, Gus! I hear you on the too busy part. Heading out to the Triassic on Monday morning. I will be organizing a forum trip for sometime in May (probably the later half) to Deep Springs Road. Say hello to the boys for me. Regards, Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 ...I never would have imagined that it was a chordate... Neither me! I guess it's "Uncle Tully" now... "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fossilized6s Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Wow! Mystery solved. It's extra strange because a lamprey type fish was fully evolved at the same time. ~Charlie~ "There are those that look at things the way they are, and ask why.....i dream of things that never were, and ask why not?" ~RFK ->Get your Mosasaur print ->How to spot a fake Trilobite ->How to identify a CONCRETION from a DINOSAUR EGG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Can't say I saw that coming! Wow! Looks different with a lamprey touch. But that's neat! Makes me want to find one even more! Some day! "Faith is to believe what you do not see; the reward of this faith is to see what you believe" - Saint Augustine"Those who can not see past their own nose deserve our pity more than anything else." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 The paper published in Nature has 8 pages of color photos. Please send me a PM with email address if you want a pdf. McCoy, V.E. et al. (2016) The ‘Tully monster’ is a vertebrate. Nature, 16992 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Wow all I can say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfossilcollector Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 I heard a paper redescribing the enigmatic "Tully Monster" was in the works. I never would have imagined that it was a chordate. Here are a few pictures of my best example and one of the best ever collected from the Mazon Creek deposit. Very impressive!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizmo Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Chicago Tribune Article- http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/ct-tully-monster-ent-0317-20160316-column.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deutscheben Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 I certainly didn't expect it would be a vertebrate! What an excellent and thorough analysis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashcraft Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Very interesting, but isn't the drawing depicting a jaw on the stalk? Brent Ashcraft ashcraft, brent allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digit Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Fantastic! Unlike a magic trick, solving the mystery of its taxonomic position does not diminish my fascination with this (formerly) enigmatic fossil. Still high on my fossil bucket list is to find my very own Tully. Thanks for the link--made for great morning reading. Cheers. -Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stocksdale Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Very interesting, but isn't the drawing depicting a jaw on the stalk? Brent Ashcraft You're right. They do appear to think the mouth could grasp. So that would be a jawless fish with a jaw hmmm Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.–Carl Sagan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stocksdale Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 The crescent shaped area that had been thought to be a mouth, the authors now say is a nose. And the mouth is now with the "claw". See Illustration 3D (white arrow) http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/fig_tab/nature16992_SF3.html Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.–Carl Sagan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stocksdale Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 (edited) The Chicago Tribune had a nice illustration. However, they arrow to the notochord should be going to the straight red line and not the smaller green line. http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/ct-met-0317-tully-monster-graphic-htmlstory.html Here's the illustration. Here's a modern lamprey illustration for comparison. EDIT: Sorry not a lamprey. The illustration is of a Lancet, a more primative chordate than a vertebrate lamprey. Edited March 17, 2016 by Stocksdale Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.–Carl Sagan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herb Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 I heard a paper redescribing the enigmatic "Tully Monster" was in the works. I never would have imagined that it was a chordate. Here are a few pictures of my best example and one of the best ever collected from the Mazon Creek deposit. man, those are beautiful "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"_ Carl Sagen No trees were killed in this posting......however, many innocent electrons were diverted from where they originally intended to go. " I think, therefore I collect fossils." _ Me "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."__S. Holmes "can't we all just get along?" Jack Nicholson from Mars Attacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auspex Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 The rigid 'eye bar' is still the strangest thing to me about this very strange creature. As far as I know, it is unique in the animal kingdom. "There has been an alarming increase in the number of things I know nothing about." - Ashleigh Ellwood Brilliant “Try to learn something about everything and everything about something.” - Thomas Henry Huxley >Paleontology is an evolving science. >May your wonders never cease! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stocksdale Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 If it is cartilage extending the eyes out, it might not be that different from a hammerhead. Which is still kind of bizarre. Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.–Carl Sagan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piranha Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 On 3/17/2016 at 10:28 AM, Auspex said: The rigid 'eye bar' is still the strangest thing to me about this very strange creature. As far as I know, it is unique in the animal kingdom. The rigid eye bar is rare, but not unique to the Tully Monster: "The eyes of Tullimonstrum are set on a rigid horizontal bar (Fig. 1b–d), a configuration rare in chordates but present in hammerhead sharks and larval dragon fish." McCoy, V.E. et al. (2016) The ‘Tully monster’ is a vertebrate. Nature, 16992 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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