Shellseeker Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 Actually this is to ID 3 items: Up to this point I have never found Gomph. but this may be it. How does one differentiate between Mastodon and Gomph? How does one differentiate between bear and jaguar canine? This one is 2.8 inches even missing the tip. Now one I do not recognize at all. Found one almost exactly the same 6 months ago. It is 4.5 inches long, fossilized and might be tilly bone in consistency. What is this? The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrehistoricFlorida Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 Congrats on your first piece of a gomph tooth. Post some more angles of the canine please. www.PrehistoricFlorida.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellseeker Posted May 7, 2016 Author Share Posted May 7, 2016 More photos of the Canine... The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellseeker Posted May 7, 2016 Author Share Posted May 7, 2016 Nate, Broken tip - pre-fossilization? Is it common? The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 gomphotheres - bunodont pattern of teethmammutids - zygodont pattern of teeth http://www.thefossilforum.com/index.php?/topic/63498-mastodon-or-gomphothere/?p=664438 Nice one, Jack ! " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted May 8, 2016 Share Posted May 8, 2016 Neat finds!! Tony Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrehistoricFlorida Posted May 8, 2016 Share Posted May 8, 2016 (edited) IMG_0805Canine.JPG Nate, Broken tip - pre-fossilization? Is it common? Can you post a pic of both the lingual and labial sides? With the tooth laying flat. You posted a decent picture of the lingual side, but not of the labial. The tip looks damaged from something other than feeding (i.e. after death). Edited May 8, 2016 by PrehistoricFlorida www.PrehistoricFlorida.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossil Claw Posted May 8, 2016 Share Posted May 8, 2016 Very nice finds! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellseeker Posted May 8, 2016 Author Share Posted May 8, 2016 Additional Photos: The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrehistoricFlorida Posted May 8, 2016 Share Posted May 8, 2016 It's a Tremarctine bear canine. Most likely Tremarctos floridanus, but could be a small Arctodus pristinus depending on the age of the site. 1 www.PrehistoricFlorida.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcbshark Posted May 8, 2016 Share Posted May 8, 2016 Very nice finds Jack! Congrats Every once in a great while it's not just a big rock down there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellseeker Posted May 8, 2016 Author Share Posted May 8, 2016 Exciting!!! Thanks for the ID Nate. We have confirmed finds of Hemiauchenia gracilis and, Nannippus peninsulatus, Eremotherium at this location, plus a tentative of P. garbani. I have always considered this site a mixture of Blancan and early Pleistocene. It has a lot of whale material also. The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlar7607 Posted May 8, 2016 Share Posted May 8, 2016 Jack that was supposed to be my bear canine Jack ! why did you have to find it !? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlar7607 Posted May 8, 2016 Share Posted May 8, 2016 Very nice jack but do you remember the rule # 105-b instituted on 4-9-16 "the one calling the fossil even if found by someone else will receive ownership of said fossil". Need I remind you !? hmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellseeker Posted May 8, 2016 Author Share Posted May 8, 2016 For those TFF members who may not realize it, Jlar7607 and I hunt frequently together, including at this location. While hunting and afterwards, we often "banter" about who besides the finder might have ownership rights based on the somewhat mythological and frequently quoted from memory: Queensbury 47th Edition of the Fossil Hunter's rules of etiquette in the New World, specifically Florida Rivers and creeks. An example might be : If the fossil hunter of the 1st part (me) finds a 4 plate segment of a mammoth tooth, and the fossil hunter of the 2nd part (Jlar) finds a nine plate segment of a VERY similar looking mammoth tooth, then who should be judged ownership of the entire 13 plate mammoth tooth? i.e Does chronological discovery time override the size of the segment found? Well, it is all adjudicated in the aforementioned Queensbury ... rules.. etc in Chapter 9 , paragraph 4 verse 5. Jlar is attempting to invoke another rule (IF such rule actually exists...) the fossil hunter of the 2nd part (Jlar) managed to predict or wish/beg for a specific fossil (say an Arctodus pristinus Canine for example), does that predictive capability override in any fashion the actual ownership right of the fossil hunter of the 1st part (me) who actually found said fossil? While these point may seem like trivial pursuits, they do carry some weight when dealing with Fossil Hunter relationships and etiquette out on the river. It is not always possible to remember the rules exactly!! In the meantime, thanks to all the congratulatory and friendly comments on these finds. I am running a lucky streak with good friends, great locations, fantastic finds and I want to keep it going.... Shellseeker 1 The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrehistoricFlorida Posted May 8, 2016 Share Posted May 8, 2016 Exciting!!! Thanks for the ID Nate. We have confirmed finds of Hemiauchenia gracilis and, Nannippus peninsulatus, Eremotherium at this location, plus a tentative of P. garbani. I have always considered this site a mixture of Blancan and early Pleistocene. It has a lot of whale material also. Blancan is early Pleistocene. Given the age of the site, the tooth is most likely from a small female A. pristinus. T. floridanus is only known from the late middle Pleistocene to late Pleistocene. www.PrehistoricFlorida.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellseeker Posted May 8, 2016 Author Share Posted May 8, 2016 Nate, Thanks for the ID. As good as I could anticipate... On Blancan-Pleistocene, I have always been somewhat unsure: From Wikipedia The start date of the Blancan has not been fully established. There is general agreement that it is between 4.9[3] and 4.3 mya (million years ago).[4] The often-cited GeoWhen database places it at 4.75 mya.[1] There is even stronger disagreement about the end of the Blancan. Some stratigraphers argue for the 1.808 mya date that corresponds better with the end of the Pliocene and the start of the Pleistocene (1.808 mya). This conforms with the extinction of Borophagus, Hypolagus, Paenemarmota, Plesippus, Nannippus, and Rhynchotherium faunal assemblage between 2.2 and 1.8 mya.[2] Other paleontologists find continuity of the faunal assemblages well into the Pleistocene, and argue for an end date of 1.2 mya. This corresponds with the extinction of stegomastodons and related species and the appearance of mammoths in southern North America.[5] Sounds like there is an overlap -- and I as treating it like an Edge -- at 1.808 2 The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrehistoricFlorida Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 Wikipedia is not a reliable source. https://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/florida-vertebrate-fossils/land-mammal-ages/blancan/ I think it's safe to refer to this site as just Blancan. www.PrehistoricFlorida.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Dente Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 . Some stratigraphers argue for the 1.808 mya date that corresponds better with the end of the Pliocene and the start of the Pleistocene (1.808 mya). Dates for boundaries can get frustrating because boundaries are sometimes moved. The beginning of the Pleistocene was moved not too long ago to around 2.6 mya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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