cheney416 Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 This is a fossil seller"s bird fossil. He says this fossil is from China. But i think this fossil is can be fake. If it is real, i don't think it is a bird fossil. How about you? What do you think about this fossil? Please give me a lot of ideas! thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troodon Posted August 31, 2016 Share Posted August 31, 2016 Welcome to the forum. I would be very suspicious of this fossil. Birds just do not fossilize in a pose position that is perfect for displaying. The ribs are set perfectly which is highly unlikely. The photo detail is not sharp enough to determine how many of the bones are real or if any of the skull is real. So it's been assembled to look like a bird. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Fake, in my opinion. Vertebrate fossils are not allowed out of China. With the notable exception of some fish fossils and some keichousaurs, ... which are numerous, and of no scientific value. Once in a while, you see something from an old collection, but many fakes come out of China. Regards, 3 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trilobiting Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Looks fake to me. There could be some actual bone in there. Not sure though. "Fossils have richer stories to tell about the lub-dub of dinosaur life than we have been willing to listen to." - Robert T. Bakker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 That's about as real as an election promise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor Lover Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Looks fake to me also "Or speak to the earth, and let it teach you" Job 12:8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 And not a very skilful fake,at that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpc Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 throw in my vote for a fake... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Look at the color of the so called matrix the bird is in, then look at the rock that it is on. Not a good thing. RB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sseth Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Run away fast. It definitely looks like it is from China. Seems to be similar in composition to all of those false and heavily restored raptors that were coming out 5-6 years ago. _____________________________________ Seth www.fossilshack.com www.americanfossil.com www.fishdig.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anchiornis Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Looks quite fake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdsnl Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 21 hours ago, Fossildude19 said: Fake, in my opinion. Vertebrate fossils are not allowed out of China. With the notable exception of some fish fossils and some keichousaurs, ... which are numerous, and of no scientific value. Once in a while, you see something from an old collection, but many fakes come out of China. Regards, Keichousaurus is no longer allowed unfortunately. It used to be "OK" because no punishment was set. In 2009 the punishment was set, and in 2011 a list of fossils of priority protection was created (the species names take up over 40 pages). Keichousaurus is listed in the second protection level, which means export of three specimens equals life imprisonment or death sentence plus confiscation of all personal belongings. Birds are all in the first and second levels (the first level has the same punishment with export of just one specimen). With such high risk it is unlikely we can find new ones for sale. By the way, many Chinese sellers pretend to be from outside China so that you will believe their fakes are real (not limited to fossils). I've bought from many ebay sellers claiming to be from Hong Kong (where I am), and all of the packages came with customs forms showing they were from China. Some of them will decline shipping within China or to Hong Kong so you won't discover they are lying about the item location. But if you are from the US for example, there is no way for you to tell. There are companies that will first take their packages to Hong Kong, then reship them using Hong Kong Post, so when you receive it you will see Hong Kong's customs form and stamp. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 38 minutes ago, sdsnl said: Keichousaurus is no longer allowed unfortunately. It used to be "OK" because no punishment was set. In 2009 the punishment was set, and in 2011 a list of fossils of priority protection was created (the species names take up over 40 pages). Keichousaurus is listed in the second protection level, which means export of three specimens equals life imprisonment or death sentence plus confiscation of all personal belongings. Birds are all in the first and second levels (the first level has the same punishment with export of just one specimen). With such high risk it is unlikely we can find new ones for sale. By the way, many Chinese sellers pretend to be from outside China so that you will believe their fakes are real (not limited to fossils). I've bought from many ebay sellers claiming to be from Hong Kong (where I am), and all of the packages came with customs forms showing they were from China. Some of them will decline shipping within China or to Hong Kong so you won't discover they are lying about the item location. But if you are from the US for example, there is no way for you to tell. There are companies that will first take their packages to Hong Kong, then reship them using Hong Kong Post, so when you receive it you will see Hong Kong's customs form and stamp. Thank you for clearing the air on that. I had no idea Keichousaurs were no longer allowed to be shipped out of China. Don't want to be giving out bad info. Thanks again. Regards, Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeargleSchmeargl Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 Definitely fake. The skull almost seems cartoonish to me. Stay away. Every single fossil you see is a miracle set in stone, and should be treated as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taogan Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 It hasn't even got artistic the merit of a well made fake, something to steer clear of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBrewer Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 While obviously removing a country's heritage is wrong and should be punishable, a death sentence does seem a bit harsh! John Map of UK fossil sites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeargleSchmeargl Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 3 hours ago, JohnBrewer said: Whisle obviously removing a country's heritage is wrong and should be punishable, a death sentence does seem a bit harsh! That Is so far off the deep end. If only laws like this weren't so strict... Every single fossil you see is a miracle set in stone, and should be treated as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheney416 Posted September 13, 2016 Author Share Posted September 13, 2016 thanks for all ideas! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fossiling Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 On Friday, September 02, 2016 at 6:19 AM, sdsnl said: Keichousaurus is no longer allowed unfortunately. It used to be "OK" because no punishment was set. In 2009 the punishment was set, and in 2011 a list of fossils of priority protection was created (the species names take up over 40 pages). Keichousaurus is listed in the second protection level, which means export of three specimens equals life imprisonment or death sentence plus confiscation of all personal belongings. Birds are all in the first and second levels (the first level has the same punishment with export of just one specimen). With such high risk it is unlikely we can find new ones for sale. By the way, many Chinese sellers pretend to be from outside China so that you will believe their fakes are real (not limited to fossils). I've bought from many ebay sellers claiming to be from Hong Kong (where I am), and all of the packages came with customs forms showing they were from China. Some of them will decline shipping within China or to Hong Kong so you won't discover they are lying about the item location. But if you are from the US for example, there is no way for you to tell. There are companies that will first take their packages to Hong Kong, then reship them using Hong Kong Post, so when you receive it you will see Hong Kong's customs form and stamp. is it possible to send the link? Keep looking! They're everywhere! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdsnl Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 41 minutes ago, fossiling said: is it possible to send the link? Do you want a copy of the Chinese law? I have it saved on my computer which broke recently, I am now using a backup and need some time to put together a new one and import my old data in. I can find it for you in about a week if you don't mind reminding me then? If you need it sooner I have posted it on another thread a long time ago, maybe you could find it by searching other posts about Chinese fossils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fossiling Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 oh, no I just want it for reference.I can find it for myself if it bothers you to do so. Keep looking! They're everywhere! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oilshale Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 On 25.09.2016 at 3:51 PM, fossiling said: oh, no I just want it for reference.I can find it for myself if it bothers you to do so. I think this is the document you are looking for: http://www.mlr.gov.cn/dzhj/gswhs/tzgg/201207/W020120723389711761880.doc If this 胡氏贵州龙 means Keichousaurus , then - yes - they are listed as protected. Thomas 1 Be not ashamed of mistakes and thus make them crimes (Confucius, 551 BC - 479 BC). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgehiker Posted September 27, 2016 Share Posted September 27, 2016 'See this here diamond ring? That's a genuine blue diamond. Belonged to my grandmother, bless her late soul. I had it appraised for 50 thousand. But, I like your face...yours for only $250. While we're at it. This here is priceless bird fossil. Grandma had it hanging on the wall above the stove. Grandpa brought it back from the war. She spent hours cooking on that stove and staring at this fossil. A quality piece that museums around the world would drool over. Buy the ring and I'll toss it in for just another $100. Am I crazy? No. I just want them both to have a good home' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fossiling Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 17 hours ago, oilshale said: I think this is the document you are looking for: http://www.mlr.gov.cn/dzhj/gswhs/tzgg/201207/W020120723389711761880.doc If this 胡氏贵州龙 means Keichousaurus , then - yes - they are listed as protected. Thomas thanks! Ho Lam Keep looking! They're everywhere! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max-fossils Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Even though I am horrible at identifying fakes, I can immediately tell it's fake... So I hope you didn't pay much for it, because it's a waste of money Anyways many people already told you it's fake, so I'm not of much help... Regards, Max Max Derème "I feel an echo of the lightning each time I find a fossil. [...] That is why I am a hunter: to feel that bolt of lightning every day." - Mary Anning >< Remarkable Creatures, Tracy Chevalier Instagram: @world_of_fossils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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