belemniten Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 (edited) I found this 4 cm long tooth on a beach in Brouwersdam "near" Rotterdam (North sea). After some research i think it could be a bison tooth (Bison priscus (?)) ... Hope somebody can help ... thanks Edited September 4, 2016 by belemniten Many greetings from Germany ! Have a great time with many fossils Regards Sebastian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strepsodus Posted September 4, 2016 Share Posted September 4, 2016 Hi. I think it's probably a modern cow tooth. Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belemniten Posted September 5, 2016 Author Share Posted September 5, 2016 20 hours ago, Strepsodus said: Hi. I think it's probably a modern cow tooth. Daniel Hi and thanks for your help ! Many greetings from Germany ! Have a great time with many fossils Regards Sebastian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted September 5, 2016 Share Posted September 5, 2016 I don't see the presence of the stylid characteristic for bovid, or the pictures don't reveal that. If the stylid is not present, I think it could be a camelid molar 3. " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifbrindacier Posted September 5, 2016 Share Posted September 5, 2016 What do you call a stylid ? "On ne voit bien que par le coeur, l'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux." (Antoine de Saint-Exupéry) "We only well see with the heart, the essential is invisible for the eyes." In memory of Doren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 3 " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifbrindacier Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 (edited) Thanks abyssunder. I also don't see any stylid on that tooth. Edited September 6, 2016 by fifbrindacier "On ne voit bien que par le coeur, l'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux." (Antoine de Saint-Exupéry) "We only well see with the heart, the essential is invisible for the eyes." In memory of Doren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belemniten Posted September 6, 2016 Author Share Posted September 6, 2016 8 hours ago, abyssunder said: I don't see the presence of the stylid characteristic for bovid, or the pictures don't reveal that. If the stylid is not present, I think it could be a camelid molar 3. Thanks very much for your help! I see what you mean and i think you are right Do you have an pictures of a camelid tooth ? 6 hours ago, fifbrindacier said: Thanks abyssunder. I also don't see any stylid on that tooth. Thanks for your involvement and your interest 1 Many greetings from Germany ! Have a great time with many fossils Regards Sebastian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 Here is one, Palaeolama mirifica, from Harry's collection : 2 " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosmoceras Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 I'm not aware of camelid fossils coming from the North Sea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 Well, If we've eliminated cow/bison and camelid, how about another bovid like goat or sheep? http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belemniten Posted September 6, 2016 Author Share Posted September 6, 2016 Thanks for the picture abyssunder ! 7 hours ago, Kosmoceras said: I'm not aware of camelid fossils coming from the North Sea. Thanks for your help ! ... 5 hours ago, Harry Pristis said: Well, If we've eliminated cow/bison and camelid, how about another bovid like goat or sheep? So you think its modern ? Many greetings from Germany ! Have a great time with many fossils Regards Sebastian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 16 minutes ago, belemniten said: Thanks for the picture abyssunder ! Thanks for your help ! ... So you think its modern ? I hope you found my images helpful. I think that it's not possible to say the age of a beach find in Northern Germany without knowing the species. The size is right for sheep/goat, but I don't have enough information to exclude several fossil bovids or even a giraffid. The probability is, in my estimation, that this is a modern tooth. 1 http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belemniten Posted September 6, 2016 Author Share Posted September 6, 2016 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Harry Pristis said: I hope you found my images helpful. I think that it's not possible to say the age of a beach find in Northern Germany without knowing the species. The size is right for sheep/goat, but I don't have enough information to exclude several fossil bovids or even a giraffid. The probability is, in my estimation, that this is a modern tooth. Yes i see your images before and they are great I think you are right but cant help you with informations ... (only that the beach is in the netherlands ) I am sure you are the best contact person concerning mammal fossils ... Edited September 6, 2016 by belemniten Many greetings from Germany ! Have a great time with many fossils Regards Sebastian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 The more I look at it, the more it resembles a sheep/goat m3. Here's a goat tooth: 2 http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted September 6, 2016 Share Posted September 6, 2016 The resemblance is good ! Thank you, Harry. " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belemniten Posted September 7, 2016 Author Share Posted September 7, 2016 9 hours ago, Harry Pristis said: The more I look at it, the more it resembles a sheep/goat m3. Here's a goat tooth: Thanks Harry ! Abyssunder is right the resemblance is good I hope its not annoying that i ask another time ... Is it modern or fossil or is it "impossible" to say ? Many greetings from Germany ! Have a great time with many fossils Regards Sebastian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted September 7, 2016 Share Posted September 7, 2016 Sebastian . . . I don't know the history of sheep/goats in the Pleistocene of the North Sea region. You can research that as easily as I could. The probability is that it is Recent, but that guess is not dispositive. http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belemniten Posted September 7, 2016 Author Share Posted September 7, 2016 3 hours ago, Harry Pristis said: Sebastian . . . I don't know the history of sheep/goats in the Pleistocene of the North Sea region. You can research that as easily as I could. The probability is that it is Recent, but that guess is not dispositive. Thanks again ! I will research it ... lets see what i found Many greetings from Germany ! Have a great time with many fossils Regards Sebastian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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