wildchild33 Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 I suspect there are some cow bones here like the meniscus, think the little one is fish vert? Clueless about the others. All from a creek, could be modern or Cretacious like the cute little ammonite. That & 2 snakehead fry I also brought home was worth it if the rest of it isn't of any interest! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fruitbat Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 The bones are interesting but I really want to hear more about the 'snakehead' fry! Do you happen to have any pictures of them? -Joe Illigitimati non carborundum Fruitbat's PDF Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCMOfossil Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 These two look like conispirally coiled gastropods to me. Russ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildchild33 Posted October 1, 2016 Author Share Posted October 1, 2016 Snakehead baby. Only one inch long. Thought they were baby gar until I put them in aquarium, also known as bowfin I think. Very invasive species illegal to keep in many states. As far as the image with everything I found that day have a ptetty good idea what most of it is, isn't this an ammonite that you pointed out? ( the other is a gastropod ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Nope. It's a gastropod. The whorls rise towards the center of the shell (trochospiral or conispiral. ) In ammonites, the shell revolves around itself in a single plane. (planispiral) Yours is definitely conospiral - rising towards the center. Regards, 5 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnJ Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 @wildchild33 That's no bowfin. It looks more like a juvenile Channa sp. snakehead. If I were you, I would report it to the Texas Parks and Wildlife tomorrow. 4 The human mind has the ability to believe anything is true. - JJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fruitbat Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Holy CATS! That's a juvenile giant snakehead, Channa micropeltes! Definitely NOT a bowfin, Amia calva (which is a native Texas fish). You REALLY...REALLY...REALLY...REALLY need to notify the Texas Parks & Wildlife Department IMMEDIATELY! -Joe JohnJ submitted his post just as I was typing my name! 4 Illigitimati non carborundum Fruitbat's PDF Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fruitbat Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 This is what Channa micropeltes looks like as an adult! They are highly-predaceous and fiercely protective of their young and have been reported to attack humans occasionally. Joe 4 Illigitimati non carborundum Fruitbat's PDF Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DinoMike Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Just a note about fossil photography. It's best not to hold the specimen up in your hand, in front of a distant background with other items in it. You get better focus on the fossil when it's lying on a solid contrasting-color background. It's also a good idea to put a ruler in the photo next to the specimen, knowing the item's size helps with ID. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildchild33 Posted October 2, 2016 Author Share Posted October 2, 2016 Yes I am aware, they are facsinating none the less ( and cute) Now, they are in the creek I am always playing in, how would TPW go about eradicating them from a creek system, or will they bother? All I know is my new goal is to get the babies I left behind and hunt down momma to see how big she is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnJ Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 1 minute ago, wildchild33 said: Yes I am aware, they are facsinating none the less ( and cute) Now, they are in the creek I am always playing in, how would TPW go about eradicating them from a creek system, or will they bother? All I know is my new goal is to get the babies I left behind and hunt down momma to see how big she is! This is not a good thing that you found them in that creek. Please contact TPWD and let them know where, how many, etc. They will try to determine if this is an isolated "dumping" or a bigger problem. They will consider this a serious discovery. 1 The human mind has the ability to believe anything is true. - JJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildchild33 Posted October 2, 2016 Author Share Posted October 2, 2016 I was typing at the same time, believe me, I have been given plenty of that advice about pictures I post. All I have is crappy phone camera, it is very difficult to get clear image with any detail at all without using lighting angle to create shadow effect, which is easier when holding it. It bothers me as much as you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildchild33 Posted October 2, 2016 Author Share Posted October 2, 2016 I have been considering it, but, I have done wildlife rescue for ten years so it is totally against my ethics to be partly responsible for the desth of an animal. I have also dealt with TPW and seen the inept way they deal with things. I will try to catch all babies left & try to ship them somewhere legal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fruitbat Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Well...let me say this and then I'm going to leave it alone: If you try to catch those things and ship them ANYWHERE then you'll not only be violating STATE law but you'll be violating FEDERAL law! It is against the law to transport snakeheads anywhere in the United States, regardless of whether they are legal to possess in an individual state or not! On October 4, 2002, the FWS added the snakehead family of fishes (Channidae) to the list of injurious wildlife under the Lacey Act. This includes all currently recognized species, and any new species that may be described within that family in the future. By taking this action, snakehead fishes can no longer be imported into the U.S. or transported across state lines without a permit. Permits for interstate transportation and importation into the U.S. can be obtained by calling the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Division of Management Authority at 1-800-358- 2104. Such permits, however, will only be issued for specific uses, such as medical or scientific research and education. 4 Illigitimati non carborundum Fruitbat's PDF Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fruitbat Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Okay wildchild33...one last question. Is the picture you posted actually one of the fish that YOU caught or is it a picture of a fish that LOOKS like the one you caught? The distinction could be very important! Do you have any pictures of the fish that are currently in your possession right now? -Joe Illigitimati non carborundum Fruitbat's PDF Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 From the TWPD link that JohnJ posted: "Snakeheads in Texas The northern snakehead is sometimes confused with the bowfin (Amia calva), a nongame fish that is native to Texas. No snakeheads have been found in Texas waters to date, but the threat exists. Because of the damage that can occur when they are inadvertently released into lakes and streams, all species of snakeheads are prohibited in Texas. It is illegal in this state to release into public waters, import, sell, purchase, transport, propagate, or possess any living snakehead, except under special permits issued by TPWD. Dead snakeheads (intestines removed) may be legally imported and sold." From the Fossil Forum's Community Rules and Standards: "Prohibited on The Fossil Forum, including private messages and the chat room (transcripts of which are recorded and monitored) are: Pornography, obscenity, illegal acts and expressing disregard for the law, flaming (personal attacks designed to berate or insult), offensive or discriminatory remarks (racial, ethnic, sexual, theological, political, etc.), threats, defamation, providing links to any of the above, Spamming, posting of the same text again and again, nonsensical posts that have no substance, or bumping a post for the same effect. Violators of the above are subject to action up to and including banishment." I completely understand wanting to rescue animals, ... I really do (my two dogs are both rescues!) - but these are a highly dangerous invasive species that do not belong in our waterways, and are not native to the USA. Please reconsider your stance on these fish. They may be cute now, but can be a horrible upset to the rest of the environment. Think of reporting this as SAVING all of the other fish populations that they could decimate. 3 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildchild33 Posted October 2, 2016 Author Share Posted October 2, 2016 Ok ok I will do the right thing, guess I didn't realize it was sooo serious and thought there were states that allowed it since I saw ads for them for sale. No that is not mine in pic., my camera can't get clear image of something that small & it may be dif species, the ones I have are younger. Will try to find exact match or better yet catch momma, know just where she is. River Monsters did a show on the snakefish so know what I'm getting in to. On mine there is one single fin that runs the length of back, not broken up like the bowfin. Will go fishing later, this morning off to join Bone2Stone on trip to Sherman! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrow Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Glad to hear you intend to do the right thing... Invasive species are the 2nd leading cause of extinction of native species in the US. http://www.esa.org/esa/documents/2013/08/ignite-slide-2.pdf "...partly responsible for the death of an animal." Consider this... By reporting it you are making an effort to prevent the extinction of native species. The "trolley problem", https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem Darrow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fruitbat Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 wildchild33...recognizing the limitations of the cameras on phones, is there any chance that your fish might look something like this? Don't let the apparent 'broken up' dorsal fin fool you...it is actually a single long flexible fin that runs about two-thirds the length of the fish's body. -Joe 4 Illigitimati non carborundum Fruitbat's PDF Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Bowfin and Snakeheads: Distinguishing features 5 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stingray Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 18 hours ago, wildchild33 said: it is totally against my ethics to be partly responsible for the desth of an animal So if you catch the Mother what will you do with it ? This is best left to people who deal with this invasive species, ( as inept as they might be or not ) If you do nothing you will be responsible for the death of the native fish and small animals in that and possibly other water ways. I understand your ethics and concern for living things and respect that, having said that please do the proper thing and report this problem to your local authority. Thanks for you consideration in this matter Chris. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fruitbat Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 wildchild33... Did you happen to see 'momma' fish or any more of her little 'fishlets' today? Did you have a chance to look at the most recent picture I posted? Do your 'fishlets' look like that? -Joe Illigitimati non carborundum Fruitbat's PDF Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildchild33 Posted October 3, 2016 Author Share Posted October 3, 2016 I was too exhausted from trip to Sherman to tromp through another creek. And actually it will probably be daddy with them esp if they are Bowfin. They are so young they still are kinda translucent, so really hard to make out fins, the caudel fin is slightly angled, or heart shaped, anal fin looks larger than a Bowfin, and doesn't appear to be pelvic fins. Color is silvery gold, black stripe starts at nose & runs straight through eye down side of body and fades into tail, nose is slightly pointed. Managed to get pic of the profile at least, that's my finger next to it. As far as your question, normally I release unless I'm going to eat it. What can I say grew up bird hunting & fishing, won't shoot but still fish, even bait my own hook. Twisted I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 These two are oysters,and I think they could be Ostrea (Lopha) sp., possibly Ostrea (Lopha) subovata, at least the second one. 4 " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Texas Freshwater Fishes There are a number of fish it could be - many minnows, dace, and other creek fish have black stripes through their eyes that continue through the body to the tail. Killfishes also have larger fins than some of the other fish. It might be worthwhile to borrow someone's digital camera, or to invest in a point and shoot - many of the inexpensive ones will take better pictures than your cell phone. At least, to get a picture of these fish. Regards, Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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