wildchild33 Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 So perplexed by this, there are oval teeth, circular ones, and one that looks human with a filling lol. Can't quite picture the bite, can someone help me out? This is the best my camera will do sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Hard to tell from the pictures, but maybe common, black, or grass carp pharyngeal teeth. Regards, Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildchild33 Posted October 7, 2016 Author Share Posted October 7, 2016 Appreciate the tip will do some research now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpc Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 some sort of fish,but try retaking the pix, and making the specimen in focus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildchild33 Posted October 7, 2016 Author Share Posted October 7, 2016 Fossildude, as usual you got it right on the money! Thanks so much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digit Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Glad you got a good answer--it can be more of a challenge from blurry photos but sometimes when we've seen similar fossils we can tell from the most minimal clues. Your camera or smart phone seems to be photo-challenged. Here are a couple of quick tips that might help you get sharper images. 1) Many cameras (but probably not smart phones) have a "macro" setting that pre-focuses the lens to allow photos of small objects near the lens. This can help if you are shooting with such a camera. 2) If your camera/phone does not have a macro mode, place the object to be photographed a bit further from the lens. Your last picture in the thread above shows a nicely focused rug behind your intended photo subject showing that the camera's focal plane was well beyond your hand. You may be trying to fill the frame with your subject (also important for efficient fossil ID) but if your object is too close for the camera to focus on you'll end up with a blurry image. 3) Some camera have the ability to stop down and use a smaller aperture if photos are taken in bright light. Even for cameras with a fixed f-stop it is always a good idea to take your photos with lots of available light so try taking your photos outdoors on a bright day. I don't know what type of imaging device you are using but your best bet is to hold your objects a bit further away from your camera when taking photos. Some cameras take a moment to get the object in focus as well and a half-press on the shutter release allows the camera to assess the situation and focus properly before making the image. A little experimentation with your current imaging device will likely get some nice sharp images. If the subject does not fill the frame well and you have no means of cropping the image to enlarge it, you might still consider posting these images. There are TFF members who routinely crop and brighten other member's images to aid in the likelihood of someone making a proper ID. Cheers. -Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildchild33 Posted October 7, 2016 Author Share Posted October 7, 2016 Luckily Fossildude knows his stuff & usually just a point in the right direction helps a lot. I don't know how the quote thing works but tmaier did an exellent job of explaining my camera on my post Bone turned to stone with teeth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Looks close to Cyprinus carpio. Picture from On the Pharyngeal Tooth Remains of Crucian and Common Carp from the Neolithic Tianluoshan Site, Zhejiang Province, China, with Remarks on the Relationship Between Freshwater Fishing and Rice Cultivation in the Neolithic Age. Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/230214063_On_the_Pharyngeal_Tooth_Remains_of_Crucian_and_Common_Carp_from_the_Neolithic_Tianluoshan_Site_Zhejiang_Province_China_with_Remarks_on_the_Relationship_Between_Freshwater_Fishing_and_Rice_Cultivation_ [accessed Oct 7, 2016] https://archive.usgs.gov/archive/sites/fl.biology.usgs.gov/Carp_ID/html/key_to_species.html#fig3 This is the Black Carp pharyngeal bone and teeth. †Mylopharyngodon wui, sp. nov. (IVPP V12533), middle Miocene, Inner Mongolia. 2010-06-oldest-known-black-carp-mongolian-plateau.pdf " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Just to complete the thread : Fig. 22. Photograph of the inferior pharyngeal bones of the last branchial arch,showing the pharyngeal teeth of an adult carp. X 2. Edwards, Linden F.The Origin of the Pharyngeal Teeth of the Carp (Cyprinus Carpio Linnaeus). The Ohio Journal of Science. v29 n3 (May, 1929), 93-130 " The common carp or Cyprinus carpio has pharyngeal teeth. The tooth count is 1, 1, 3-3, 1, 1 (Hubbs et al 1991). However, the count may be 1,2,3-3,2,1. The pharyngeal teeth are molar-like with flattened crowns. (Goldstein and Simon, 1999). " - https://sundawu.ca/A_Poet_s_Fu_Shan_3.html " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Abyssunder, your last pic shows recent otoliths, not teeth Coco ---------------------- OUTIL POUR MESURER VOS FOSSILES : ici Ma bibliothèque PDF 1 (Poissons et sélaciens récents & fossiles) : ici Ma bibliothèque PDF 2 (Animaux vivants - sans poissons ni sélaciens) : ici Mâchoires sélaciennes récentes : ici Hétérodontiques et sélaciens : ici Oeufs sélaciens récents : ici Otolithes de poissons récents ! ici Un Greg... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 You are correct, Coco. I didn't say it is tooth, but is Cyprinus carpio otolith. " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coco Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 Hi, OK, I hadn't seen your precision ! Coco ---------------------- OUTIL POUR MESURER VOS FOSSILES : ici Ma bibliothèque PDF 1 (Poissons et sélaciens récents & fossiles) : ici Ma bibliothèque PDF 2 (Animaux vivants - sans poissons ni sélaciens) : ici Mâchoires sélaciennes récentes : ici Hétérodontiques et sélaciens : ici Oeufs sélaciens récents : ici Otolithes de poissons récents ! ici Un Greg... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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