Jonelle Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Holy moly guys. The saga of my historical yard continues... is this man made or a fossil? Had other great finds today, I think this one needs a post all of its own. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonelle Posted November 17, 2016 Author Share Posted November 17, 2016 Please let it be a artifact. I've had my suspicions about my property, but no one seems to believe anything Grrr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Not man made but a very nice clam fossil. Others can be more specific. Tony 1 Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonelle Posted November 17, 2016 Author Share Posted November 17, 2016 What are the markings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkinhead Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 The exterior markings are axial ribs while the interior ones could be representative of pallial lines, which are marks on the interior of bivalve shells where muscles were attached. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 53 minutes ago, Joenlle said: What are the markings? They look like the structure of the shell as it grew were defined by "growth lines". Tony 2 Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Bivalve growth increments are as a rule not visible macroscopically(=with the bare eye).Besides ,the ligament would not be the place for that,either. I think these are manmade markings. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonelle Posted November 17, 2016 Author Share Posted November 17, 2016 Here is a video i know it's a little dark but it's late and I'm tired http://sendvid.com/926m89n1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JohnJ Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 1 hour ago, Joenlle said: What are the markings? THIS may help you. 9 The human mind has the ability to believe anything is true. - JJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonelle Posted November 17, 2016 Author Share Posted November 17, 2016 5 minutes ago, JohnJ said: 6 minutes ago, JohnJ said: THIS may help you. Perfect! I actually got pretty close googling 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Thanks for that input. Very, very educational. Very humbling too. That's what you get from reading too much sclerochronology literature. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FossilDAWG Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 I'm thinking Arca wagneriana Dall, 1898. Don 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonelle Posted November 17, 2016 Author Share Posted November 17, 2016 Some more views thanks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmaier Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 It's hard to tell if it is Arca zebra (the local extant species) or Arca wagenrina (an extinct local species). The transitition from one to the other was pretty gradual and there are many intermediate forms that are difficult to classify. The existing species is common there and called Zebra ark or Turkey Wing ark shell. The "writing" on the back mystifies and alarms many people who see, it, and it looks like Ogham, the ancient writing of the Vikings or maybe something from outer space. A cryptic message from the mollusc that says "DON'T EAT ME!". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmaier Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Spelling correct... Backspace, backspace, backspace, backspace, backspace, backspace, backspace, ... Correctotype, correctotype, correctotype, correctotype, correctotype, correctotype, ... Arca wagneriana carriage return Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifbrindacier Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 7 minutes ago, tmaier said: The existing species is common there and called Zebra ark or Turkey Wing ark shell. The "writing" on the back mystifies and alarms many people who see, it, and it looks like Ogham, the ancient writing of the Vikings or maybe something from outer space. A cryptic message from the mollusc that says "DON'T EAT ME!". Wow ! I've never seen an invertebrate operculum with ogham "letters" on it. Did the american natives had early relations with celtic irish people and knew how to translate the pelecypods language ? "On ne voit bien que par le coeur, l'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux." (Antoine de Saint-Exupéry) "We only well see with the heart, the essential is invisible for the eyes." In memory of Doren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifbrindacier Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 On 11/17/2016 at 11:54 AM, Joenlle said: Some more views thanks That's a very nice one, congratuations ! 1 "On ne voit bien que par le coeur, l'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux." (Antoine de Saint-Exupéry) "We only well see with the heart, the essential is invisible for the eyes." In memory of Doren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonelle Posted November 17, 2016 Author Share Posted November 17, 2016 At first I thought it was some sort of Native symbol, like resembling a thunderbird... it's awesome, @tmaier I was also between zebra/wagneria... i keep looking back and forth I can't tell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmaier Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 There is the very definitive wagnerinia species form that has the tip of the "wing" flaring way out, and the lobe under that way in, and it is a thinner shell, and stretched out. Then in the definitive zebra species the two lobes of the wing are almost the same length, and the shell is more bulbous. Those are the two extremes that define the two species, but I find many that are "transitional", being a shell not quite solidly one or the other. This is not common, and most of the time when you collect species you find that a species exists for a few million years as a very stable form, and then there is suddenly a new species with distinct new features. This phenomena is called "punctuated equilibrium" in the field of evolution study. The Arca zebra and his ancestor give a rare glimpse into a species that had a slow slide, rather than a punctuated jump. Most fossil collectors have their ears prick up when the phrase "transitional specimen" is mentioned. They are not common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimber Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 Well this post is old but I think this is the same shell. I've been going through apparently old swamp dirt and finding lots of goodies. Kimber ❤ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minnbuckeye Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 Since Kimber revived this post and I had not seen it before, I will add my Arca wagneriana. I too thought it contained old carvings until TFF corrected me. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimber Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 Well I found this today in Palmetto ,Florida. It fell out of wall of Fossilized shells and dirt they used for a bank wall. Such a cool design! Also I just noticed your has a fish design on the end. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandy Cole Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 Can't help you at all, but it looks great! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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