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 Hi everybody, it passed too much time since I was here.

I need help. One friend found this in Lower Devonian sediments in Spain. He thinks is a fish tooth but I'm not sure about it. What do you think?

 

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Juan ;)

 

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This looks more like a crinoid or trilobite spine, to me. :unsure: 

 

What is the size of the item?

I think removal of some matrix from around the item would tell us more. 

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I'm thinking it is a spine from a brachiopod, bivalve, or echnoid. It looks like more of the fossil is still buried in the matrix, and could be exposed. There is some white material at a diagonal across the photo, and I think that is associated with the spine/tooth. This would be a delicate prep job.

It seems too long and wobbly to be a tooth, which is why it seems like a spine to me. Not that I know a lot about teeth.



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Almost certainly crinoid, not vertebrae. 

He needs to realize that there weren't many bony fish in the Devonian, and none with spine shaped teeth, that I am aware of. 

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7 mm would be rather large for a conodont. :unsure: 

 

Not shaped like one, either. 

 

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It seems too large to be a conodont tooth, and like I mentioned, it is a bit wobbly. Look at conodont teeth, or just teeth in general, and they are a more smooth curve, because they have to take a force repeatedly. A wobbly spike has a "flaw" in that it does not make a good tooth.

So, no definitive evidence here, but my opinion, not a conodont tooth.



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Thanks for your help guys, it was so useful. Like Beatles said: with a little help from my friends ^_^

He found this braquiopod too in the same rock. Lovely huh?

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Nice brachiopod - looks similar to  Pseudoatrypa devoniana. 

 

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Yep, a very fossil-rich matrix. Your friend might want to try "prepping" some of these rocks to expose the fossils more. The simpliest way to start is with vinegar and a soft toothbrush. Always start learning with the pieces that you DON'T like, so as you learn, you make your mistakes on pieces that are not important.

Learning to expose the fossils ("prepping") will often yeild nice looking fossils like that brachiopod.

Go to the "Fossil Prep" area of this site and see what the pros are doing. They are using expensive equipment, but you can get start for less than a dollar. =-)

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The first specimen in question looks to be a crinoid primibrachial plate with spine. Similar ones here :

 

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I believe (and I may very well be way off course) that the object in question is the nostral spine of a sawfish or sawshark.

Keep looking! They're everywhere!

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1 hour ago, fossiling said:

I believe (and I may very well be way off course) that the object in question is the nostral spine of a sawfish or sawshark.

Way to old for it to be a rostral spine from a sawfish.

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On Sunday, November 20, 2016 at 11:25 PM, tmaier said:

Sawfish hadn't been invented yet.
 

:rofl:

Keep looking! They're everywhere!

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