Montana Matty Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 I recently found a large phalanx bone in NE Oklahoma in the Arkansas River. I think it's from a Bison but I'm not sure because it is much bigger than the ones I have seen. It is roughly 3.5 inches long. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifbrindacier Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Phallanx of Equus ? It looks like this one : http://www.thefossilforum.com/index.php?/topic/70174-did-i-find-a-dinosaur-bone/ 1 "On ne voit bien que par le coeur, l'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux." (Antoine de Saint-Exupéry) "We only well see with the heart, the essential is invisible for the eyes." In memory of Doren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max-fossils Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Hello, and welcome to I agree with @fifbrindacier, it definitely looks like a phalanx from a horse. The photos here are from a horse phalanx from the North Sea in my collection. You can see the similarity. Best regards, Max 1 Max Derème "I feel an echo of the lightning each time I find a fossil. [...] That is why I am a hunter: to feel that bolt of lightning every day." - Mary Anning >< Remarkable Creatures, Tracy Chevalier Instagram: @world_of_fossils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max-fossils Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Some more photos Max Derème "I feel an echo of the lightning each time I find a fossil. [...] That is why I am a hunter: to feel that bolt of lightning every day." - Mary Anning >< Remarkable Creatures, Tracy Chevalier Instagram: @world_of_fossils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max-fossils Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 And more Max Derème "I feel an echo of the lightning each time I find a fossil. [...] That is why I am a hunter: to feel that bolt of lightning every day." - Mary Anning >< Remarkable Creatures, Tracy Chevalier Instagram: @world_of_fossils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max-fossils Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 The last one: Max Derème "I feel an echo of the lightning each time I find a fossil. [...] That is why I am a hunter: to feel that bolt of lightning every day." - Mary Anning >< Remarkable Creatures, Tracy Chevalier Instagram: @world_of_fossils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 For comparison: 3 http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Equus phalanx I, I agree wiht the others. Nice find! " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Matty Posted November 22, 2016 Author Share Posted November 22, 2016 Thanks everyone for the help! I didn't even think it could be a horse. Here are some of the teeth Infounf as well. They have great color. I'm pretty sure these are Bison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifbrindacier Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Could you take photos of both ends of them ? It is important because you can find here tiny details indispensables for a good identification. "On ne voit bien que par le coeur, l'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux." (Antoine de Saint-Exupéry) "We only well see with the heart, the essential is invisible for the eyes." In memory of Doren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Matty Posted November 22, 2016 Author Share Posted November 22, 2016 Here are a few other angles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max-fossils Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 I'm happy I could help! And great teeth too! In my opinion, the bigger one looks like bison indeed (though I'm not sure). But the second one kinda makes me think of deer... Let's wait for the others to give their thoughts Best regards, Max Max Derème "I feel an echo of the lightning each time I find a fossil. [...] That is why I am a hunter: to feel that bolt of lightning every day." - Mary Anning >< Remarkable Creatures, Tracy Chevalier Instagram: @world_of_fossils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Matty Posted November 22, 2016 Author Share Posted November 22, 2016 Thanks for your feedback. I was thinking both are Bison teeth because of the isolated stylid in the middle of the tooth (you can see it in the first picture of the group of three pictures). I'm no expert so i could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Matty Posted November 22, 2016 Author Share Posted November 22, 2016 I found another bone that I am trying to ID. I know it's a cannon bone but not sure what to. It is about 9 inches long and 2.25 inches thick at the thickest part. There are some interesting looking scratch marks you can see in the second picture. Could those be from an animal or do you think it is normal wear and tear? I found another cannon which is the third picture, I think it is a Bison from the size and thickness, 8 inches long and 2.75 inches wide. Once again, any help/ideas are very appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 The teeth in question are probably from bison, according to their large dimensions. Bison teeth are more robust than bos/cow teeth. Camelids don't have isolated stylyds on their teeth. The bones in the last pictures looks to be metatarsals and/or metacarpals of bos or bison. excerpt from Atlas of Animal Bones. For Prehistorians, Archaeologists and Quaternary Geologists - Elisabeth Schmid; Elsevier, New York, 1972. 5 " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 +1 to @abyssunder on this one. Or, in his native language, desigur or sigur ca da. This is likely bison. ...How to Philosophize with a Hammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Matty Posted November 22, 2016 Author Share Posted November 22, 2016 Thanks for the information, so you think both are Bison even though one of them is longer and thinner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifbrindacier Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 I think they are both bison teeth, not all the teeth have the same shape and size on a jaw (look at our own incisives canines and molars). "On ne voit bien que par le coeur, l'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux." (Antoine de Saint-Exupéry) "We only well see with the heart, the essential is invisible for the eyes." In memory of Doren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max-fossils Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Sorry I was wrong about the teeth And about the first cannon bone, I have the feeling the scratches have just occurred during the fossilization process. Of course, I might be wrong again... Anyways once again amazing finds, Best regards, Max Max Derème "I feel an echo of the lightning each time I find a fossil. [...] That is why I am a hunter: to feel that bolt of lightning every day." - Mary Anning >< Remarkable Creatures, Tracy Chevalier Instagram: @world_of_fossils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyc Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 Your first cannon bone is llama. Second one is bos/bison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 First of all end views of the proximal articulation of the bones are necessary. For the second bone I would say - Bison. Fig 10 - picture from J.F. Simek et al. 2011. The prehistoric cave art and archaeology of Dunbar Cave, Montgomery County, Tennessee. Journal of Cave and Karst Studies, v. 74, no. 1, p. 19–32. The first one doesn't look like a camelid metapodial, to me. Second picture - various views of the camel's metacarpus More information Here Isabel Cartajena et al. 2010. New camelid (Artiodactyla: Camelidae) record from the late Pleistocene of Calama (Second Region, Chile): a morphological and morphometric discussion. Revista Mexicana de Ciencias Geológicas, v. 27, núm. 2, p. 197-212. " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Both cannon bones (metapodials) are bison. The metacarpals are significantly broader than the metatarsals. http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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