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The jaw section and teeth are throwing me for a loop.  This matrix chunk is from Morocco and I was wanting to id the jaw section and nothing I am looking through has comparable teeth.  Please help.

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What is the size of the jaw?

 

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Hmm.  :headscratch:

I'm not real familiar with Moroccan fossil fish. :unsure:

 

Maybe @oilshale will have some ideas. 

 

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From wich part of Morocco does it come from ?

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Assuming the matrix is from the Maastrictian (latest Cretaceous) phosphate, the teeth look similar to those of Saurodon (bony fish).  You can try to determine if that fish or a close relative lived during that time.  It's known from earlier in the Late Cretaceous (Niobrara Chalk age - Santonian).  It's tough to find a Cretaceous bony fish expert when you need one.

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Could it be a Cybium jaw ?

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1 hour ago, fifbrindacier said:

Could it be a Cybium jaw ?

 

From what I've read, specimens that have been identified as Cybium have not been found in rocks older than Early Eocene.  However, it is just as likely that the specimen in question came from the Early Eocene phosphates of Morocco.  Specimens that have been identified as Cybium, specifically C. proosti (known from the Early Eocene of Virginia and England), have been referred to the genus Acanthocybium.  So, yes, this jaw might belong to that fish.  Not knowing the layer/age of the rock makes it difficult to determine for sure. 

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5 minutes ago, siteseer said:

 

From what I've read, specimens that have been identified as Cybium have not been found in rocks older than Early Eocene.  However, it is just as likely that the specimen in question came from the Early Eocene phosphates of Morocco.  Specimens that have been identified as Cybium, specifically C. proosti (known from the Early Eocene of Virginia and England), have been referred to the genus Acanthocybium.  So, yes, this jaw might belong to that fish.  Not knowing the layer/age of the rock makes it difficult to determine for sure. 

Then we just have to wait for what @tstark can tell us about it.

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Sorry for the delay, I started this thread at the end of my day and not expecting so much information so quickly.  The pieces are from Khouribga, Morocco. 

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It seems that the phosphates of Khouribga were formed between the later cretaceous (maestrichian) go the ypresian. And, if i'm right the enchodus are from the later cretaceous, just before the great extinction. But if you have pieces of enchodus the chances this one is also from the maestrichian and then from a saurodon are stronger than the chances it comes from the ypresian and so from a cybium.

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