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Hi all

 

A friend found this on a beach in South Africa. Is it possible to ID to species or genus level? 

 

Many thanks 

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Definitely a tooth from a marine mammal, looks fossilized too. Any more specifics on the location?

 

@Boesse will have the best idea which marine mammal this belongs to.

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Sorry for delayed response, struggling with signal at the moment. Here it is in my hand. The first pic was next to a standard 330ml coke can 

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Sorry, i don't see it.;)

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"On ne voit bien que par le coeur, l'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux." (Antoine de Saint-Exupéry)

"We only well see with the heart, the essential is invisible for the eyes."

 

In memory of Doren

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That is quite a strange looking tooth! I have no immediate idea what it is, unfortunately, but there is an emerging marine mammal assemblage from South Africa. You should email this to Dr. Romala Govender at Iziko, who is currently actively researching the fossil marine mammals of SA: rgovender@iziko.org.za

 

Possibilities include a beaked whale tusk or some strange unidentified dolphin.

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Look forward to seeing what turns out. I haven't seen marine mammal fossils from South Africa before.

The shark tooth in your hand is a great white Carcharodon carcharias. I believe this makes these deposits at least early Pliocene (< 5 million years old) based on what we know about great white evolution. At least in Peru we don't see full serrations like this until 2 million years ago. 

 

Check out this info on Elasmo.com

 

http://www.elasmo.com/genera/slides/gw_evo/gw_evo.html?gwa

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Thanks Dr Mud! 

After the initial post this smooth edged tooth was found. I quickly scanned through your link and realized this may also be of relevance to someone

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Various mammalian bones were also found. Some looked like ribs, ball and socket joints and something resembling a scapula too

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Sounds like a great spot to hunt fossils.

Are the bones turning up loose on the beach or are they still in the rock?

 

These could be scientifically important finds. If you get clusters of bones together, especially in the rock, sometimes it is best to contact someone with experience to come extract them.

Clusters of loose bones could also indicate they are being weathered out from a skeleton in the source rock.

it depends on the site. Some sites you can get articulated or associated bones, and others you will find isolated elements. Skeletons have been broken apart and shifted around before the mud turned to rock.

 

i don't know how much experience you have fossil hunting, but just thought I would mention these things. Context or where a fossil was found in place - and therefore time is very important.

 

I would love to see some photos of your site - you may want to keep it secret, but if you can show us some pics that would be great.

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Here's a link to a post written by Bobby (Boess) explaining why these things are important and what we should look out for as "fossil detectives" in the field.

Makes for fun, rewarding and potentially scientifically significant trips.

Getting to know your site also helps to find more cool stuff.....

 

 

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Thanks for the tips :) they were all found loose on the beach sand or being tumbled around in the waves. The bones are severely weathered, however the tooth was found lodged under a large rock which seems to have protected it for the most part

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4 hours ago, Doctor Mud said:

Look forward to seeing what turns out. I haven't seen marine mammal fossils from South Africa before.

The shark tooth in your hand is a great white Carcharodon carcharias. I believe this makes these deposits at least early Pliocene (< 5 million years old) based on what we know about great white evolution. At least in Peru we don't see full serrations like this until 2 million years ago. 

 

Check out this info on Elasmo.com

 

http://www.elasmo.com/genera/slides/gw_evo/gw_evo.html?gwa

 

 

There is at least one article I can think of on fossil shark teeth from South Africa.  It's Davies (1964) and it notes finds at Uloa and Sapolwana.  It shows some shark teeth but the article does not mention any other associated fossils.  While the title notes the teeth as Miocene in age, they are actually Pliocene.  

 

I have heard of numerous Carcharodon carcharias finds around Milnerton.

 

Jess

 

Davies, D. H.  1964.

The Miocene Shark Fauna of the Southern St. Lucia Area.  Oceanographic Research Institute.  Investigational Report No. 10.  16p.

 

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35 minutes ago, siteseer said:

 

I have heard of numerous Carcharodon carcharias finds around Milnerton.

 

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I'm not an expert, but i think your other tooth is also from a Carcharodon carcharias.

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"On ne voit bien que par le coeur, l'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux." (Antoine de Saint-Exupéry)

"We only well see with the heart, the essential is invisible for the eyes."

 

In memory of Doren

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It is totally unserrated however the edges are still relatively sharp. I'm fairly certain it isn't a modern C. carcharias. That being said, I am very inexperienced 

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