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Most of the material I have seen on Lee Creek crocodiles have identified them to the Genus Thecachampsa; and to the species antiqua. However, I have one tooth that is different from all the others. Are there others species of croc present in the Lee Creek fauna? 

 

This tooth is almost a dead wringer for the tooth pictured in this drawing by William Bullock Clark   100px-Thecachampsa_contusor_tooth_Clark.JPG   The tooth in this drawing id identified as Thecachampsa contusor (Cope, 1867)

Illustration of a tooth of Thecachampsa contusor (=Thecachampsa antiqua) collected from Aquia Creek, Maryland. 4a. Lateral view. 4b. Basal view. Printed in Eocene, Volume 1 by the Maryland Geological Survey, William Bullock Clark (1901).

 

So second, is T. antiqua synonymous with T. contusor. 

 

 

Here is the tooth

 

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Hi Don Aquia creek is in Aquia Harbor, Virginia. I have had the Crocodile teeth that I have collected IDed By Dr Rob Weems up in Virginia, 10 as Thecachampsa sercodon from the Pungo of Lee Creek & 10 as Thecachampsa antiquus from the Pungo of Lee Creek and the Calvert formation in Westmoreland County Virginia. 11 he could not do an ID on and half of the antiquus crocodile teeth look like your tooth. I hope this helps you some. George

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Maybe from a position in the jaw where the teeth are wider. 

Still, there's a chance it may come from another species/Genus or it could be from a juvinile. 

 

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1 minute ago, powelli1 said:

Hi Don Aquia creek is in Aquia Harbor, Virginia. I have had the Crocodile teeth that I have collected IDed By Dr Rob Weems up in Virginia, 10 as Thecachampsa sercodon from the Pungo of Lee Creek & 10 as Thecachampsa antiquus from the Pungo of Lee Creek and the Calvert formation in Westmoreland County Virginia. 11 he could not do an ID on and half of the antiquus crocodile teeth look like your tooth. I hope this helps you some. George

 

Thanks George. It is helpful. Glad you saw this. Hope your doing well.

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Hi Don Glade to help you out, let me know when you are going to be up in Greenville so you can come by to look at the croc teeth I have & get Dr. Weems info. Take Care George

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excerpt from  R. W. Purdy, V. P. Schneider, S. P. Applegate, J. H. McLellan, R. L. Meyer and B. H. Slaughter. 2001. The Neogene sharks, rays, and bony fishes from Lee Creek Mine, Aurora, North Carolina. Smithsonian Contributions to Paleobiology 90:71-202

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10 hours ago, powelli1 said:

Hi Don Glade to help you out, let me know when you are going to be up in Greenville so you can come by to look at the croc teeth I have & get Dr. Weems info. Take Care George

 

Hey George, I may actually be in Geenville next Tuesday or Wednesday. If I do I will contact you. I would love to have the info from Dr. Weems. 

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Thanks for the info abyssunder. I have not had any luck finding that Lee Creek Volume.

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Here it is, Don. :)

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According to Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thecachampsa  In addition to reassigning G. americanus and G. carolinensis to Thecachampsa, Myrick [2001] combined all previously named species of Thecachampsa with the type species T. antiqua. The different tooth shapes that distinguished the species were considered variation in the dentition of a single species.[8] However, the variation in dentition could only be seen in complete tomistomine skulls, all of which had been referred to Gavialosuchus before the genus was synonymized with Thecachampsa.

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