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I found these in some rocks I was splitting open. They're from the Mississippian aged Pocono Group. They're definitely insect wings, but are they modern ones or fossil ones? I'm too afraid to try and see if I can scratch them off, because what if they are intricately preserved fossils?:wacko: I found them on the inside part of the rock, but I was splitting the shale outside so could they have gotten on the rock that way, or are they really fossils?  The shale piece this came from was from the same layer I found the trigonotarbid in.

 

 

 

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fossil insect wing 1.jpg

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I tried to brush them off with an art brush and they're still there, and I also tried blowing on them and sure enough they're still there.

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Ha ha I got all excited like that,are those pictures + & - they don't look it.They look too translucent.?Mine turned out modern.

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Do you see any veination when looking through a loupe?

 

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I think I can see some in the reverse black and white image I made. 

Cool.   :) 

 

 

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Do you have counterparts?

From what you are saying, these were found in a fresh split, correct?

I can't see any way for recent insect wings to get into a piece of rock. :headscratch:

 

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Well it is the middle of winter.

 

I don't have any counterparts from what I've seen, but then again I threw out a bunch of chips so it may be in one of those.

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Don't try this until you get experienced advise, but isn't hydrogen peroxide sometimes used to remove recent organic mater. Perhaps as a test ?

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38 minutes ago, Rockwood said:

Don't try this until you get experienced advise, but isn't hydrogen peroxide sometimes used to remove recent organic mater. Perhaps as a test ?

I would advise you to try it, if yuou are not alone.

Keep looking! They're everywhere!

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1 hour ago, Rockwood said:

+ real - wing 

Contrary to what it may appear my point here is not at odds with jpc's comment. It's more about the weight that should be given to this particular aspect of the investigation.

Photography and magnification can do some weird things. 

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Unless EMP can get a really good detailed image of veination, it is really just a guessing game. 

I have a hard time understanding the mechanics of how modern insect wings could make it into the middle of a piece of shale that is just split. :headscratch:

 

But again, without excellent micro pictures, it may be impossible to get a good ID on this one way or the other. 

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50 minutes ago, Fossildude19 said:

 

I have a hard time understanding the mechanics of how modern insect wings could make it into the middle of a piece of shale that is just split. :headscratch:

 

 

Depends on how fractured the surface was to begin with.

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exactly, and the insect might not have died in there, but the wings may have been brought in by another insect or spider, something smaller.  I am often amazed at how many insects, spiders and mites we find deep in rocks when excavating.  If the layers are even just a wee bit separated, puny critters will find their way in there.  The photos just look like modern wings to me.      

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