Request for help to a classification : Richiesta di aiuto per una classificazione

[Eugenio]

Gentile Utenti di Fossiliforum

 

Potete aiutarmi Nella Classificazione. Il reperto e Stato Trovato in Sicilia Nella Formazione del "Tripoli" del siciliano "Messiniano".

Grazie

 

 

TRANSLATION:   

 

Dear Members of Fossiliforum,

 

Can you help in classification?

The find and State Found in Sicily In Formation of the "Tripoli" Sicilian "Messinian".

Thank you.

 

 

 

 

[FossilDAWG]

Translation:

"Dear Members of Fossil forum

 

Can you help in classification. The find and State Found in Sicily In Formation of the "Tripoli" Sicilian "Messinian".

 

Thank you"

[FossilDAWG]

Hi Eugenio,

 

Welcome to the Fossil Forum.

 

I moved your post to the "Fossil ID" section of the Forum as more people are likely to see it there and possibly be able to offer suggestions.  In case you are not familiar with the term, "ID" means "Identification".

 

Don

[Fossildude19]

Welcome to the Forum.  

 

It appears to me to be a fish maxilla and mandible.

Maybe one of our other members can narrow it down.  @oilshale

Regards, 

 

[doushantuo]

Several possibilities emerge: gobiids,polynemids,hemiramphids,Aphia.

Pointers authorwise : Landini/Tyler/Bannikov/Carnevale,for the paleoichthyology of Messinian Italy.

 

NB: this is a very back-of the -envelope statement,based on otolith abundances

having read a lot of BdSPI content,I can read paleontological Italian

Merluccia?a gadiid of some sort?

Ye gods,I'm hopeless at determining

this won't help,but hey,,

NB:"find and state found"?? good grief

so Google translate can't handle past participles?

[abyssunder]

It's about the Messinian Tripoli Formation,Sicily, Italy.

[doushantuo]

Thanks,Abyssunder,I didn't get that at all.

 

[oilshale]

Could be from the diatomite of Licata; if so, the ichthyofauna should not be so different from that of Mondaino or Fiume Marecchia. Unfortunately, I don't have the original paper from Arambourg (1925): Révision des poissons fossiles de Licata (Sicile). Ann. Paléont. 39, 14-132.

I only have the paper from Gaudant about Myctophidae

Reexamen critique des Myctophidae messiniens de Licata Gaudant.pdf

[doushantuo]

gaudant2002n3a9.pdf

[abyssunder]

Just a far guess of mine would be Lepidopus of Trichiuridae family. 

Here is for example Lepidopus proargenteus from similar (Upper Miocene), sediments of Pecetto di Valenza (Piedmont, Italy).

 

Fig. 3 - Lepidopus proargenteus Arambourg. Head of specimen MRSNP 35/109.

[oilshale]

2 hours ago, doushantuo said:

Several possibilities emerge: gobiids,polynemids,hemiramphids,Aphia.

Pointers authorwise : Landini/Tyler/Bannikov/Carnevale,for the paleoichthyology of Messinian Italy.

 

NB: this is a very back-of the -envelope statement,based on otolith abundances

having read a lot of BdSPI content,I can read paleontological Italian

Merluccia?a gadiid of some sort?

Ye gods,I'm hopeless at determining

this won't help,but hey,,

NB:"find and state found"?? good grief

so Google translate can't handle past participles?

 

I would guess Merluccius sp. or Scopeloides sp. could be good candidates

 

[doushantuo]

Nice pic from the Bolletina,Abyssunder

That''s specimen MRSNP 35/109 ,if anyone is wondering

[abyssunder]

Yep! I forgot to mention...