Eugenio Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Gentile Utenti di Fossiliforum Potete aiutarmi Nella Classificazione. Il reperto e Stato Trovato in Sicilia Nella Formazione del "Tripoli" del siciliano "Messiniano". Grazie TRANSLATION: Dear Members of Fossiliforum, Can you help in classification? The find and State Found in Sicily In Formation of the "Tripoli" Sicilian "Messinian". Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FossilDAWG Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Translation: "Dear Members of Fossil forum Can you help in classification. The find and State Found in Sicily In Formation of the "Tripoli" Sicilian "Messinian". Thank you" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FossilDAWG Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Hi Eugenio, Welcome to the Fossil Forum. I moved your post to the "Fossil ID" section of the Forum as more people are likely to see it there and possibly be able to offer suggestions. In case you are not familiar with the term, "ID" means "Identification". Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Welcome to the Forum. It appears to me to be a fish maxilla and mandible. Maybe one of our other members can narrow it down. @oilshale Regards, Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Several possibilities emerge: gobiids,polynemids,hemiramphids,Aphia. Pointers authorwise : Landini/Tyler/Bannikov/Carnevale,for the paleoichthyology of Messinian Italy. NB: this is a very back-of the -envelope statement,based on otolith abundances having read a lot of BdSPI content,I can read paleontological Italian Merluccia?a gadiid of some sort? Ye gods,I'm hopeless at determining this won't help,but hey,, NB:"find and state found"?? good grief so Google translate can't handle past participles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 It's about the Messinian Tripoli Formation,Sicily, Italy. " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Thanks,Abyssunder,I didn't get that at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oilshale Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Could be from the diatomite of Licata; if so, the ichthyofauna should not be so different from that of Mondaino or Fiume Marecchia. Unfortunately, I don't have the original paper from Arambourg (1925): Révision des poissons fossiles de Licata (Sicile). Ann. Paléont. 39, 14-132. I only have the paper from Gaudant about Myctophidae Reexamen critique des Myctophidae messiniens de Licata Gaudant.pdf Be not ashamed of mistakes and thus make them crimes (Confucius, 551 BC - 479 BC). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 gaudant2002n3a9.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Just a far guess of mine would be Lepidopus of Trichiuridae family. Here is for example Lepidopus proargenteus from similar (Upper Miocene), sediments of Pecetto di Valenza (Piedmont, Italy). Fig. 3 - Lepidopus proargenteus Arambourg. Head of specimen MRSNP 35/109. " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oilshale Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 2 hours ago, doushantuo said: Several possibilities emerge: gobiids,polynemids,hemiramphids,Aphia. Pointers authorwise : Landini/Tyler/Bannikov/Carnevale,for the paleoichthyology of Messinian Italy. NB: this is a very back-of the -envelope statement,based on otolith abundances having read a lot of BdSPI content,I can read paleontological Italian Merluccia?a gadiid of some sort? Ye gods,I'm hopeless at determining this won't help,but hey,, NB:"find and state found"?? good grief so Google translate can't handle past participles? I would guess Merluccius sp. or Scopeloides sp. could be good candidates Be not ashamed of mistakes and thus make them crimes (Confucius, 551 BC - 479 BC). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Nice pic from the Bolletina,Abyssunder That''s specimen MRSNP 35/109 ,if anyone is wondering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Yep! I forgot to mention... " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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