ID on Odernheim amphibian fossils

[Darwin and Wallace]

Hey all,

 

Any guesses on the ID's of these little amphibians? I know they're almost universally labeled as species of Apateon, but curious if any experts knew if it might be something else like Branchiosaurus, etc.

[gigantoraptor]

Maybe the best idee is to lable it like Branchiosaurinae indet. 

Maybe somebody knows the differt between an Apateon and a Branchiosaurus, but I don't.

Very cool fossils btw.

 

 

[oilshale]

Not an easy task - something for real specialists. Try this paper from Werneburg and Schneider:

Amphibian biostratigraphy of the European Permo-Carboniferous.pdf

I fear this paper in German won't help much:

Biostratigraphie des Rotliegend mit Insekten und Amphibien.pdf

Thomas

[Darwin and Wallace]

Gigantoraptor, I think I just might do that.

 

Oilshale, thank you. I've actually read and the Werneburg and Schneider paper previously. Its very informative but my specimens could still easily fall within any of those species listed I feel, despite the paper's thoroughness.

[jpc]

Ahhhr.. its just a snarge amphibian.  Was I there when you found this?  

I call mine 'branchiosaurids'  

[doushantuo]

Schamphibmetamorphevol06.pdf

[doushantuo]

or:

 

Frosch)_2010.pdf

[doushantuo]

Juvenile Sclerocephalus?

 

[JimB88]

From my understanding Branchiosaurus is a catch all term for juvenile amphibians correct?

[doushantuo]

Because a lot of temnospondyls exhibit neoteny,branchiosauridae has indeed become a sort of generic term for miscellaneous permocarboniferous tetrapods

[doushantuo]

Schoch_amphibiapalassreview!!!LifeCycles.pdf

 

 

[Darwin and Wallace]

jpc- I didn't find these two on our trip. The one I found is much nicer and in my China cabinet

 

doushantuo- thanks for the pdfs. Yep, could always be little Sclerocephalus youngsters.

 

JimB88- It would seem that way, lol.