Shellseeker Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 Found today about 5 hours ago in Peace River. I am not positive on the ID but I have a pretty good guess. This tooth in un_erupted == no roots and no use wear on the chewing surface. Does that mean this tooth came from a juvenile (baby??) before the tooth could be used? The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaholic Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 Seems wide for Dugong? Peccary? "A man who asks is a fool for five minutes. A man who never asks is a fool for life". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 Nice find! Yes, I think it's an unerupted dugongid tooth. 2 http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darktooth Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 Nice find! Congratulations! I like Trilo-butts and I cannot lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digit Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 Sweet! 'Nuf said. Cheers. -Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JarrodB Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 Very nice find. I would love to hunt the Peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellseeker Posted February 22, 2017 Author Share Posted February 22, 2017 19 hours ago, Harry Pristis said: Nice find! Yes, I think it's an unerupted dugongid tooth. Thanks to all for great replies, I always try to discover new "Facts" related to new fossil finds. I did not know that there was a fossil dugong (Miocene) and a fossil manatee (Pleistocene) and their teeth are different! I thought that it was too large based on being over an inch, but then I found one (almost exact) on PaleoEnterprises at 1.125 inches. Search for Dugong Molar Metaxytherium floridanum I also checked on fossil photos of Mastodon and Gomph at a similar size and this tooth was not one of those. Thanks Harry . I categorized the following smaller tooth as Metaxytherium floridanum 3 years ago. Was I incorrect? The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Pristis Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 27 minutes ago, Shellseeker said: Thanks to all for great replies, I always try to discover new "Facts" related to new fossil finds. I did not know that there was a fossil dugong (Miocene) and a fossil manatee (Pleistocene) and their teeth are different!' I thought that it was too large based on being over an inch, but then I found one (almost exact) on PaleoEnterprises at 1.125 inches. Search for Dugong Molar Metaxytherium floridanum I also checked on fossil photos of Mastodon and Gomph at a similar size and this tooth was not one of those. Thanks Harry . I categorized the following smaller tooth as Metaxytherium floridanum 3 years ago. Was I incorrect? Probably correct. These teeth seem variable, and that may be age-variability or gender or species . . . I just don't know. I simply label these isolated teeth as "dugongid" or "Cf. Metaxytherium sp." and move on. http://pristis.wix.com/the-demijohn-page What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? ---Shakespeare, The Tempest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellseeker Posted February 23, 2017 Author Share Posted February 23, 2017 On the Question of Un_Erupted teeth for dugongid adults: https://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/florida-vertebrate-fossils/species/metaxytherium-floridanum/ Quote Tooth replacement in Metaxytherium floridanum followed the same horizontal replacement pattern found in proboscidians and modern manatees, but with only a maximum of six total teeth per jaw in an animal’s lifetime. In most jaws only three teeth are present and functioning (Fig. 4); more rarely two or four. The premolars and molars of dugongids are all basically similar and cannot be used to distinguish different genera and species of similar size. Significant differences are instead found on the degree of deflection of the rostrum, the size and shape of the upper canine tusk, and the shape and thickness of the ridges on the skullcap. Translation: EVERY Metaxytherium floridanum molar is initially un_erupted with no roots in the crypt The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyc Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Sweet find, Jack! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace river rat Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Looks just like a dugong tooth in a fossil book I have. You mean I was not the only crazy fella digging in the rain today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellseeker Posted February 23, 2017 Author Share Posted February 23, 2017 Thanks Gary, it really is pretty special. I am trying to place approximate age and it seems a lot older than my normal finds. PRR, I posted this thread Tuesday!!! I was in Avon Park today and felt it was really raining out there. When in the river hunting, I laugh at the rain as long as there is no lightening. How wet can you get ? plus there is always the chance of a great fossil!!! The White Queen ".... in her youth she could believe "six impossible things before breakfast" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace river rat Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 22 minutes ago, Shellseeker said: Thanks Gary, it really is pretty special. I am trying to place approximate age and it seems a lot older than my normal finds. PRR, I posted this thread Tuesday!!! I was in Avon Park today and felt it was really raining out there. When in the river hunting, I laugh at the rain as long as there is no lightening. How wet can you get ? plus there is always the chance of a great fossil!!! Very true. I am with you on the lightning! I just don't like my leather bucket seat on my recumbent bicycle getting wet! If you get around to arcadia, I would enjoy meeting up for a dig! Yesterday I found a fully rooted, complete bison premolar and today found a complete incisor of a deer? Always a good day to find a complete mammal tooth! Have yet to find a dugong tooth, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimlock Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Great find Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixgill pete Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Very nice Jack. Bulldozers and dirt Bulldozers and dirt behind the trailer, my desert Them red clay piles are heaven on earth I get my rocks off, bulldozers and dirt Patterson Hood; Drive-By Truckers May 2016 May 2012 Aug 2013, May 2016, Apr 2020 Oct 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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