karenilm Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Hello! We were camping on Bear Island in North Carolina and my son found this glass object. It was covered with sand and we discovered it was glass after he threw it and part of broke. Thank you very much!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Welcome to TFF! It does not look like glass to Me. How heavy is it? Does it seem light compared to a rock of equal size? Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Looks like copal , to me. Take a look here . " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karenilm Posted February 23, 2017 Author Share Posted February 23, 2017 YNOT - Thank you so much for looking at my photos. The object is very light compared to a rock and we know that it's glass because the piece that broke shattered into very small shards of sharp glass. In fact I keep it in a tupperware because little glass shards come off very easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixgill pete Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 9 minutes ago, abyssunder said: Looks like copal , to me. Take a look here . My thoughts were also copal or possibly amber. But I am not sure. The spot she is speaking of I presume, Bear Island is a barrier Island south of Bouge Banks and north of Onslow Beach. It is not really known for fossils. It is part of Hammocks Beach state Park. I would recommend having it looked at by someone knowledgeable of copal and amber. Bulldozers and dirt Bulldozers and dirt behind the trailer, my desert Them red clay piles are heaven on earth I get my rocks off, bulldozers and dirt Patterson Hood; Drive-By Truckers May 2016 May 2012 Aug 2013, May 2016, Apr 2020 Oct 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 3 minutes ago, karenilm said: YNOT - Thank you so much for looking at my photos. The object is very light compared to a rock and we know that it's glass because the piece that broke shattered into very small shards of sharp glass. In fact I keep it in a tupperware because little glass shards come off very easily. Glass is very heavy, what You have is copal or amber. Many things will brake in the same manner as glass, this is called a conchoidal fracture. Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixgill pete Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, karenilm said: YNOT - Thank you so much for looking at my photos. The object is very light compared to a rock and we know that it's glass because the piece that broke shattered into very small shards of sharp glass. In fact I keep it in a tupperware because little glass shards come off very easily. The fact that it is very light compared to rock of the same size, also points to copal or amber. Glass would be heavier, than "very light" compared to rock. Does it float or sink slowly. Bulldozers and dirt Bulldozers and dirt behind the trailer, my desert Them red clay piles are heaven on earth I get my rocks off, bulldozers and dirt Patterson Hood; Drive-By Truckers May 2016 May 2012 Aug 2013, May 2016, Apr 2020 Oct 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karenilm Posted February 23, 2017 Author Share Posted February 23, 2017 Here is the object under a black light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FossilDudeCO Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 What about the pine tar resin that comes off of old ships? I forget what it is called. Sometimes they wash up on beaches in that area since it is a trade route down the coast. Ughhhhh...Its gonna kill me...maybe @ynot knows what I am thinking of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 1 minute ago, FossilDudeCO said: What about the pine tar resin that comes off of old ships? I forget what it is called. Sometimes they wash up on beaches in that area since it is a trade route down the coast. Ughhhhh...Its gonna kill me...maybe @ynot knows what I am thinking of. That is a possibility, but I do not know what they call it either. Tony Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karenilm Posted February 23, 2017 Author Share Posted February 23, 2017 sixgill pete - Yes, you are correct about where Bear Island is located. Thank you for your reply! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixgill pete Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 1 minute ago, ynot said: That is a possibility, but I do not know what they call it either. Tony Pitch? I don't think thats what it is. Bulldozers and dirt Bulldozers and dirt behind the trailer, my desert Them red clay piles are heaven on earth I get my rocks off, bulldozers and dirt Patterson Hood; Drive-By Truckers May 2016 May 2012 Aug 2013, May 2016, Apr 2020 Oct 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Dente Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Rosin washes up on North Carolina beaches. You can try burning a small piece and smelling it. Rosin, copal and amber will have a pleasant pine like smell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Karenilm can You see any things in the body of the piece? (You may need a magnifier to see them.) Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixgill pete Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Just now, Al Dente said: Rosin washes up on North Carolina beaches. You can try burning a small piece and smelling it. Rosin, copal and amber will have a pleasant pine like smell. Could be rosin. Did not think of that. Bulldozers and dirt Bulldozers and dirt behind the trailer, my desert Them red clay piles are heaven on earth I get my rocks off, bulldozers and dirt Patterson Hood; Drive-By Truckers May 2016 May 2012 Aug 2013, May 2016, Apr 2020 Oct 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karenilm Posted February 23, 2017 Author Share Posted February 23, 2017 It sinks fast and does not float. Burning smells like woodsy sap smell!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, Al Dente said: Rosin washes up on North Carolina beaches. You can try burning a small piece and smelling it. Rosin, copal and amber will have a pleasant pine like smell. Yeah- rosin is the word @FossilDudeCO was looking for! If it is rosin it should smell piny on the fresh brakes. If it smells when heat is applied it is definitely one of the three! Nice find! Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 To identify copal, Grimaldi (1996) suggested a drop of alcohol or other solvent on the specimen; amber is not effected by the solvent, but copal's surface will become sticky. He also stated that copal will melt next to hot flame, whereas amber will merely soften and blacken (Grimaldi, 1996, p 16). " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FossilDudeCO Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 ROSIN! Thank you everyone. Rosin is my guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 rosin-based polyamides are used as epoxy curing agents..... Anthropogenic? "dirosin-maleic anhydride imidodicarboxylic acid" Ftir spectra should show levopimaric and abietic acids(precursor) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karenilm Posted February 24, 2017 Author Share Posted February 24, 2017 YNOT - I cannot see anything inside the onject. abyssunder - A drop of alcohol made it sticky and it appeared to melt under flame. Copal???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 With the information provided so far I would go with copal. Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 16 minutes ago, karenilm said: abyssunder - A drop of alcohol made it sticky and it appeared to melt under flame. Copal???? That would exclude amber. It could be copal. " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FossilDudeCO Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Check out this thread. It states Rosin was produced in large quantities in NC, and Snolly seems to think that rosin will also soften with acetone or alcohol. Then the pictures posted still make me think rosin. I am not super familiar with the Carolinas, but has anyone ever seen copal wash up there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 prolly waste from the yacht-building industry,I guess. Just throwing longbranching di- and triterpenes into the sea,maybe? VIDE what i said before NMR/spin resonance might also tell if it is copal,if not phytochemistry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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