small non-hemipristis

[drobare]

Yesterday the tides were very far out in the bay. I think the multiple days of winds blowing south did it.

Finding things at Brownies/Bay front park was difficult because it's been picked over. I think the tide has been abnormally low for multiple days now.

I did find this small tooth at the end of my searching. It is the tooth in the upper left corner of the two pictures.

I'm pretty sure it is not a hemipristis, as the shape is not right. Am I looking at a very small Meg? thanks for any help..

It is about 1 inch long on the diagnol

[sixgill pete]

Yep that's a small meg. Great find. 

[powelli1]

Will you take some photos of the tooth that you think is a Meg looking from both ends, I have a few thousand Megs from a 1/4 '' up to 6 1/2'' in bad, good and better all the way to the best you can find but I have not seen one that looks like this one before. Don you very well could be right on this one but I need to see more. George

[sixgill pete]

@powelli1

George, if I can locate it and take a picture; I have one with the exact same shape and about the same size from Lee Creek. I actually found it the same day you found that extra wide cream colored meg.

[powelli1]

Hi Don I would like to see it if you can find it. I hope you are doing well with this COLD weather again I don't like it.

[Al Dente]

Looks odd to me. Could be a serrated Alopias grandis but I'm not sure.

[Peace river rat]

I don't think it is meg, if so I find lots of em in the peace.

[powelli1]

Eric I think you have it, it dose look more like an serrated Alopias grandis than a Meg to me also. The size is right for a grandis. George

[Sharks of SC]

Im very much in the Carcharocles camp. I've got similar examples as well. I'll be taking photos today

 

[Sharks of SC]

Here's three. They all have small, but visible bourlettes, consistent serrations (unlike what you'd expect with Trigonotodus sp.), rounded root corners (Like Hubbell-type teeth), and a similar basal margin to what you'd expect with adult megalodon teeth. 

[Sharks of SC]

3 hours ago, powelli1 said:

Will you take some photos of the tooth that you think is a Meg looking from both ends, I have a few thousand Megs from a 1/4 '' up to 6 1/2'' in bad, good and better all the way to the best you can find but I have not seen one that looks like this one before. Don you very well could be right on this one but I need to see more. George

 

3 hours ago, sixgill pete said:

@powelli1

George, if I can locate it and take a picture; I have one with the exact same shape and about the same size from Lee Creek. I actually found it the same day you found that extra wide cream colored meg.

I've taken some pictures of teeth that I think are similar to the tooth in question. Would love to hear any and all opinions

[sixgill pete]

I have not been able to locate the tooth of mine. But, I will keep looking.

[Cris]

I also have a couple small megs very similar to the tooth above. I'm in the megalodon camp on this one.

[Al Dente]

I looked at serrated Alopias over the weekend and I'm now convinced drobare's tooth is Alopias grandis. Better images would be nice. I flipped his images around and pasted them above this pair of Alopias teeth from the Elasmo.com website.

 

 

[Sharks of SC]

1 hour ago, Al Dente said:

I looked at serrated Alopias over the weekend and I'm now convinced drobare's tooth is Alopias grandis. Better images would be nice. I flipped his images around and pasted them above this pair of Alopias teeth from the Elasmo.com website.

 

 

I certainly see the similarities. Hard to deny that those two teeth do look remarkably similar.

I'm willing to bet that the originally-posted tooth is half the thickness of a thresher shark tooth of the same size and the serrations are more even...still feeling megalodon on this one

 

[drobare]

I'm a little slow replying,.. here are a couple of more photos of the tooth I found..

I took these in sunlight for a better image.

Thanks.

 

er image.

[drobare]

Could it be a "chub"? I have another 2.5 inch tooth with two visible cusps that I was told is not a Meg but a chub.. 

 

[sixgill pete]

9 hours ago, drobare said:

Could it be a "chub"? I have another 2.5 inch tooth with two visible cusps that I was told is not a Meg but a chub.. 

 

 

Definitely not a chubutensis in my opinion. While this tooth absolutely resembles the A. grandis shown in Al Dentes post, I am not convinced. But, I will add that I am not 100% in the megalodon camp anymore. I need to find my tooth that is similar. 

This could be one of those ID's that the tooth has to be in hand to be sure. 

Lets have @MarcoSr weigh in on this one also.

[Troodon]

Late to the table but I'm not in Alopias camp, why :

 

Here is a serrated Alopias about the same size as the specimen in question that I found at Brownies Beach.  Note how the serrations sit on the root.  Similiar to the two shown from the elasmo site from SC.   On drobare specimen they lay flat and there is a slight cusp (red arrow) which is more typical of a juvie meg.  I also find that his specimen appears too compressed to be an Alopias.  Finally the serrations are coarse on my specimen unlike drobare's.  My two cents ....

 

 

[drobare]

Thanks for all the great input..

I myself am leaning towards juvenile Meg for a couple of reasons.

I know they are found at Brownies (although this is the first I have found).

Also, in my humble opinion, the curve on the Alopias teeth are more defined and more of an arc,  and the Alopias roots seem a little broader with a slightly different shape.

 

I've got some other interesting things I need to post for identification one of these days.. I seem to be good at finding oddities.. must be my character.. lol..

[MarcoSr]

Definitely looks like a chub to me.  The heels don't match an A. grandis.  The serrations are too regular for an A. grandis.  The serrated A. grandis from MD have very coarse irregular serrations.  Plus I have a number of small chubs with a single cusplet like this specimen.

 

Marco Sr.