sTamprockcoin Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Just picked this and a similar one up this morning. This is a Devonian , Brallier/Harrell formation, raod cut a few blocks from my house. Is this a preserved track and (I know its indistinct) and if so from what kind of critter? Any help is appreciated. 1 “Beautiful is what we see. More beautiful is what we understand. Most beautiful is what we do not comprehend.” N. Steno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMP Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 It's a trace fossil of a brittle star, made by the arm when it was crawling. Pteridichnites biseriatus, Brallier Formation. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Nice find, Tim! I agree, - similar ones found in this flickr album. Regards, 1 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoast Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 While the similarities are obvious it seems a little odd that a long brittle star arm can produce such a neat trace if it was crawling? Also just to poke at this a bit more, the arm doesn't appear to taper like most brittle stars. I haven't read any of the relevant literature which interprets this ichnofossil so I'm just throwing it out there, maybe there are some modern comparitive studies? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sTamprockcoin Posted March 17, 2017 Author Share Posted March 17, 2017 Very Cool!! Thanks. Research turned up this study which seems to be the basis for some of the more current interpretations. The_stratigraphic_utility_of_the_trace_fossil_Pter.pdf 2 “Beautiful is what we see. More beautiful is what we understand. Most beautiful is what we do not comprehend.” N. Steno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMP Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 3 hours ago, westcoast said: While the similarities are obvious it seems a little odd that a long brittle star arm can produce such a neat trace if it was crawling? Also just to poke at this a bit more, the arm doesn't appear to taper like most brittle stars. I haven't read any of the relevant literature which interprets this ichnofossil so I'm just throwing it out there, maybe there are some modern comparitive studies? The trace fossil from what I recall was made by a constant crawling through the mud, so tapering wouldn't likely occur in the fossil. The neatness is very nice on this specimen, most are far more poorly preserved than this one, so don't take this as the common condition. Also, different animals would obviously have slightly different tracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 If You watch brittle star videos thier movement is by flailing thier arms. It is a unique form of locomotion. I co not see how that type of movement could leave a continuous track. Also - where are the marks left by the other arms of a brittle star? http://www.livescience.com/20196-brittle-star-movement.html http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=brittle+star+movement&qpvt=brittlestar+movement&FORM=VDRE Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoast Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 I'm thinking something along the lines of the makers of Gyrochorte or a straighter type of Nereites biserialis. There is no consensus as to the makers of those traces but nobody suggests ophiuroid. Ichnology really is the Dark Arts of paleontology however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fossildude19 Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 10 hours ago, ynot said: If You watch brittle star videos thier movement is by flailing thier arms. It is a unique form of locomotion. I co not see how that type of movement could leave a continuous track. Also - where are the marks left by the other arms of a brittle star? http://www.livescience.com/20196-brittle-star-movement.html http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=brittle+star+movement&qpvt=brittlestar+movement&FORM=VDRE The paper that sTamprockcoin posted suggests how the trace could have been made, but, in my opinion,... is far from the last word on the subject. "As pointed out by one of the paper’s reviewers (Philip Novack-Gottshall, personal communication, 2006), if P. biseriatus is the product of an ophiuroid or an asterozoan, the lack of pentameral symmetry in the impressions of arms, especially in association with possible feeding marks, seems contradictory. We would offer the observation that intact bedding surfaces containing multiple P. biseriatus are commonly marked by very small (less than 1 cm. in height), broad ripples. The irregular topography of this sediment surface may have precluded the preservation of the imprints of all five arms. Alternatively, as illustrated and discussed by Schäfer (1972, Figure 117, p. 210), the typical mode of ophiuroid movement is by single-arm locomotion where one arm propels the organism (see Figure 6) and the remaining arms trail behind. This may help explain the predominance of single P. biseriatus even in conjunction with mouth impressions, especially if the tracemaker was feeding opportunistically as it moved across the bottom ." I agree that the fossil is Pteridichnites biseriatus, but am skeptical of the trace maker's identity. 3 Tim - VETERAN SHALE SPLITTER VFOTM --- APRIL - 2015 __________________________________________________ "In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks." John Muir ~ ~ ~ ~ ><))))( *> About Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 echinodermichnolgy.pdf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 ophiuroid movement & tube feet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoast Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 I agree that Pteridichnites biseriatus is the correct name for this trace but the maker is questionable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sTamprockcoin Posted March 18, 2017 Author Share Posted March 18, 2017 Thanks for the variety of discussion. I thought that this uncertainty might be the case. I'm pleased to know the name and quality of what I've found. I'm definitely going to do more exploring at the spot and who knows maybe I'll make a contribution to the bottom feeders (pun on trace fossils) of paleontology. 2 “Beautiful is what we see. More beautiful is what we understand. Most beautiful is what we do not comprehend.” N. Steno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 On 3/18/2017 at 12:35 AM, westcoast said: I haven't read any of the relevant literature which interprets this ichnofossil so I'm just throwing it out there, maybe there are some modern comparitive studies? On 3/18/2017 at 4:05 PM, sTamprockcoin said: I'm pleased to know the name and quality of what I've found. I find this older topic related to Pteridichnites biseriatus. According to Miller et al., 2009, Pteridichnites biseriatus is now considered Psammichnites biseriatus. " The specimens from the Saltville area suggest that Psammichnites biseriatus was produced by a small, shallow-burrowing, mollusc- or annelid-like deposit feeder, that thrived in the upper parts of recently deposited muddy turbidites in a depositional basin that supported few other kinds of benthic organisms, owing to frequent erosion-deposition events, continual turbidity and influx of freshwater from Catskill deltaic lobes to the east, and possibly because of intervals/zones of stagnation and eutrophication at the seafloor. " 1 " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveE Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 I might have found one today too, (maybe in the same outcrop since Tim and I are neighbors) but mine was neither as long nor as sharply defined. To be honest in the field I thought it was a trilobite track and I gave it away. But now I have a new appreciation for the Brallier rocks I dig up in my garden. I gather experts no longer think brittlestar? But for fun, see pages 260-261 in this 1913 source, which might be the type fossil when it was first thought to be one. https://msa.maryland.gov/megafile/msa/speccol/sc6000/sc6046/000000/000001/000000/000035/pdf/msa_sc6046_1_35.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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