Max-fossils Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 Hello everyone, I found this thing back in my collection. At first I thought it was a piece of wood, therefore I did a flame test (as you can maybe see from the black at the tip), but it revealed to be a fossil. Therefore I started thinking more, trying to figure out what it could be. Then I remembered that I only knew one thing so delicate from the Zandmotor: a piece of bird bone. I'm pretty convinced now that it's that, because I don't know what else it could be. The structure feels right for bone too. Do you agree with my guess as bird bone? Found on the Zandmotor (NL) --> Pleistocene. Thanks, Max Max Derème "I feel an echo of the lightning each time I find a fossil. [...] That is why I am a hunter: to feel that bolt of lightning every day." - Mary Anning >< Remarkable Creatures, Tracy Chevalier Instagram: @world_of_fossils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 Bone -Yes, bird - ? Not sure there is enough to tell. Tony Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max-fossils Posted March 18, 2017 Author Share Posted March 18, 2017 24 minutes ago, ynot said: Bone -Yes, bird - ? Not sure there is enough to tell. Tony Well, I came to that conclusion by using elimination. The Zandmotor is a popular site, and I know that bird bones can be found, and that they are kinda similar to this. Nothing else comes to my mind as being that small/delicate. Max Derème "I feel an echo of the lightning each time I find a fossil. [...] That is why I am a hunter: to feel that bolt of lightning every day." - Mary Anning >< Remarkable Creatures, Tracy Chevalier Instagram: @world_of_fossils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinosaurus Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 i dont know if its even possible to say something about this bone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 6 hours ago, Max-fossils said: Well, I came to that conclusion by using elimination. The Zandmotor is a popular site, and I know that bird bones can be found, and that they are kinda similar to this. Nothing else comes to my mind as being that small/delicate. What is the age of the formation? Tony Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockwood Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 Bird bone 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 2 minutes ago, Rockwood said: Bird bone Are You saying the original item is a bird bone or are You identifying the one in Your picture? Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockwood Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 13 minutes ago, ynot said: Are You saying the original item is a bird bone or are You identifying the one in Your picture? Latter, for comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 I would say that the walls of the op"s piece are to thick for a bird. Tony PS There are a lot more little critters in an ecosystem than big ones and birds are only a small part of that. 1 Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max-fossils Posted March 19, 2017 Author Share Posted March 19, 2017 9 hours ago, ynot said: What is the age of the formation? Tony They're Pleistocene sediments. The fossils found there are the classical Ice Age fossils (mammoth, cave bear, etc) as well as seashells. Max Derème "I feel an echo of the lightning each time I find a fossil. [...] That is why I am a hunter: to feel that bolt of lightning every day." - Mary Anning >< Remarkable Creatures, Tracy Chevalier Instagram: @world_of_fossils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max-fossils Posted March 19, 2017 Author Share Posted March 19, 2017 7 hours ago, ynot said: I would say that the walls of the op"s piece are to thick for a bird. Tony PS There are a lot more little critters in an ecosystem than big ones and birds are only a small part of that. Ok, thanks! And I thought more over this fossil, and I remembered that it could also be part of a rodent, or another small mammal. Max Derème "I feel an echo of the lightning each time I find a fossil. [...] That is why I am a hunter: to feel that bolt of lightning every day." - Mary Anning >< Remarkable Creatures, Tracy Chevalier Instagram: @world_of_fossils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockwood Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 There is a concept here that may be helpful to understand. Bird bones are often referred to as being hollow. It's actually more accurate to say they are inflated. They have nearly the same bone body mass ratio as other animals. The bone in the original post is from a larger animal proportionally when compared to the bird bone. Hope that makes sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpc Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Birds tend to be hollow yes, but also the bones are delicately thin. The original posted bone is to thick to be a bird bone. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 11 minutes ago, jpc said: Birds tend to be hollow yes, but also the bones are delicately thin. The original posted bone is to thick to be a bird bone. That is what I thought. Just did not think of how to say it right. Thanks JPC! Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max-fossils Posted March 20, 2017 Author Share Posted March 20, 2017 11 hours ago, Rockwood said: There is a concept here that may be helpful to understand. Bird bones are often referred to as being hollow. It's actually more accurate to say they are inflated. They have nearly the same bone body mass ratio as other animals. The bone in the original post is from a larger animal proportionally when compared to the bird bone. Hope that makes sense. 6 hours ago, jpc said: Birds tend to be hollow yes, but also the bones are delicately thin. The original posted bone is to thick to be a bird bone. 6 hours ago, ynot said: That is what I thought. Just did not think of how to say it right. Thanks JPC! Alright, so it's not bird. What could it be then? Mammal? Max Derème "I feel an echo of the lightning each time I find a fossil. [...] That is why I am a hunter: to feel that bolt of lightning every day." - Mary Anning >< Remarkable Creatures, Tracy Chevalier Instagram: @world_of_fossils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockwood Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 On 3/18/2017 at 1:33 PM, Spinosaurus said: i dont know if its even possible to say something about this bone. Restated; it lacks diagnostic features. The list of possibilities is otherwise quite inclusive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 2 hours ago, Max-fossils said: Alright, so it's not bird. What could it be then? Mammal? Or amphibian or reptile. As I said in the first reply-- not enough there to be certain one way or the other. Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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