Bird bone?

[Max-fossils]

Hello everyone,

 

I found this thing back in my collection. At first I thought it was a piece of wood, therefore I did a flame test (as you can maybe see from the black at the tip), but it revealed to be a fossil. Therefore I started thinking more, trying to figure out what it could be. Then I remembered that I only knew one thing so delicate from the Zandmotor: a piece of bird bone. I'm pretty convinced now that it's that, because I don't know what else it could be. The structure feels right for bone too. Do you agree with my guess as bird bone? 

 

Found on the Zandmotor (NL) --> Pleistocene. 

 

Thanks,

 

Max

[ynot]

Bone -Yes, bird - ?

Not sure there is enough to tell.

Tony

[Max-fossils]

24 minutes ago, ynot said:

Bone -Yes, bird - ?

Not sure there is enough to tell.

Tony

Well, I came to that conclusion by using elimination. The Zandmotor is a popular site, and I know that bird bones can be found, and that they are kinda similar to this. Nothing else comes to my mind as being that small/delicate.

[Spinosaurus]

i dont know if its even possible to say something about this bone.

[ynot]

6 hours ago, Max-fossils said:

Well, I came to that conclusion by using elimination. The Zandmotor is a popular site, and I know that bird bones can be found, and that they are kinda similar to this. Nothing else comes to my mind as being that small/delicate.

What is the age of the formation?

Tony

[Rockwood]

Bird bone

[ynot]

2 minutes ago, Rockwood said:

 

Bird bone

 

Are You saying the original item is a bird bone or are You identifying the one in Your picture?

[Rockwood]

13 minutes ago, ynot said:

Are You saying the original item is a bird bone or are You identifying the one in Your picture?

Latter, for comparison.

[ynot]

I would say that the walls of the op"s piece are to thick for a bird.

 

Tony

 

PS There are a lot more little critters in an ecosystem than big ones and birds are only a small part of that.

[Max-fossils]

9 hours ago, ynot said:

What is the age of the formation?

Tony

They're Pleistocene sediments. The fossils found there are the classical Ice Age fossils (mammoth, cave bear, etc) as well as seashells.

[Max-fossils]

7 hours ago, ynot said:

I would say that the walls of the op"s piece are to thick for a bird.

 

Tony

 

PS There are a lot more little critters in an ecosystem than big ones and birds are only a small part of that.

Ok, thanks! And I thought more over this fossil, and I remembered that it could also be part of a rodent, or another small mammal. 

[Rockwood]

There is a concept here that may be helpful to understand.

Bird bones are often referred to as being hollow. It's actually more accurate to say they are inflated. They have nearly the same bone body mass ratio as other animals.

The bone in the original post is from a larger animal proportionally when compared to the bird bone.

Hope that makes sense. 

[jpc]

Birds tend to be hollow yes, but also the bones are delicately thin.  The original posted bone is to thick to be a bird bone.

 

[ynot]

11 minutes ago, jpc said:

Birds tend to be hollow yes, but also the bones are delicately thin.  The original posted bone is to thick to be a bird bone.

 

That is what I thought. Just did not think of how to say it right.

Thanks JPC!

[Max-fossils]

11 hours ago, Rockwood said:

There is a concept here that may be helpful to understand.

Bird bones are often referred to as being hollow. It's actually more accurate to say they are inflated. They have nearly the same bone body mass ratio as other animals.

The bone in the original post is from a larger animal proportionally when compared to the bird bone.

Hope that makes sense. 

 

6 hours ago, jpc said:

Birds tend to be hollow yes, but also the bones are delicately thin.  The original posted bone is to thick to be a bird bone.

 

 

6 hours ago, ynot said:

That is what I thought. Just did not think of how to say it right.

Thanks JPC!

Alright, so it's not bird. What could it be then? Mammal?

[Rockwood]

On 3/18/2017 at 1:33 PM, Spinosaurus said:

i dont know if its even possible to say something about this bone.

Restated; it lacks diagnostic features.

The list of possibilities is otherwise quite inclusive.

[ynot]

2 hours ago, Max-fossils said:

Alright, so it's not bird. What could it be then? Mammal?

Or amphibian or reptile.

As I said in the first reply-- not enough there to be certain one way or the other.