FossilDudeCO Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Great find! Puts the fish I dig in Wyoming to shame! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boesse Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Sorry I'm of little help; I'd have to see a complete vertebra to tell for sure. Almost certainly from the Monterey Fm., perhaps the Altamira Shale member. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doushantuo Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 I would advise everyone to look at this one for californian Neogene pisces,but take very good note of the caveat* BTW,I think there is no (longer) such a thing as Ozymandias ,and have my doubts about Alisea * GSA ,1943 Maybe revised by David ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADURAN Posted March 21, 2017 Author Share Posted March 21, 2017 16 hours ago, FossilDudeCO said: Great find! Puts the fish I dig in Wyoming to shame! Awe thanks! We're on the coast so we grow um big in the ocean hahaha Wyoming is beautiful though, I've been dying to visit Yellowstone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADURAN Posted March 21, 2017 Author Share Posted March 21, 2017 2 hours ago, Boesse said: Sorry I'm of little help; I'd have to see a complete vertebra to tell for sure. Almost certainly from the Monterey Fm., perhaps the Altamira Shale member. Thank you so much! I'm actually going back next weekend to see if I can find more pieces where we found this, if I do I will post of course. Thank you for looking though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADURAN Posted March 21, 2017 Author Share Posted March 21, 2017 2 hours ago, doushantuo said: I would advise everyone to look at this one for californian Neogene pisces,but take very good note of the caveat* BTW,I think there is no (longer) such a thing as Ozymandias ,and have my doubts about Alisea * GSA ,1943 Maybe revised by David ? Thank you so much going to check this out now! I really appreciate your help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abyssunder Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 Maybe Ophiodon ozymandias (Jordan, 1907) is better than Ozymandias gilberti ? One year later, 1920, from the same authors, D. S. Jordan - J. Z. Gilbert : " 19. Ozymandias gilberti Jordan. (Plate XXIV) No. 332 is part of the large fish supposed to be Ozymandias gilberti Jordan (Fossil Fishes of Southern California, p. 44, pi. XXI). It consists of a fragment, 8 1/2 inches long, with 12 large quadrate vertebrae from near the head, with their appendages. Vertebrae without ridges or grooves on the side, the median portion on each side a little prominent. The neurals are strong, directed well backward, well separated, with two dagger-shaped interneurals between each pair below first dorsal ; these corresponded to a long first dorsal fin of a dozen rays or more ; ribs well separated, very strong, curved strongly backward, each as long as six vertebrae. Body of even depth, the dorsal and ventral outlines seeming straight. A broad, shortish pectoral fin of 12 to 15 rays detached from body, on side of belly. It is not certain that this specimen belongs to Ozymandias, nor is it clear in what family it should be placed. The vertebrae and interneural structures agree very closely with those of the living genus Ophiodon Girard (O. elongatus), which now inhabits California waters. This is the sole representative of its family among recent fishes. " - link to document One year later, 1921, as stated in D. S. Jordan. 1921. The Fish Fauna of the California Tertiary. Biological Sciences. Volume I, No. 4. Stanford University Publications " We are not separate and independent entities, but like links in a chain, and we could not by any means be what we are without those who went before us and showed us the way. " Thomas Mann My Library Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADURAN Posted March 27, 2017 Author Share Posted March 27, 2017 On 3/23/2017 at 9:46 PM, abyssunder said: Maybe Ophiodon ozymandias (Jordan, 1907) is better than Ozymandias gilberti ? One year later, 1920, from the same authors, D. S. Jordan - J. Z. Gilbert : " 19. Ozymandias gilberti Jordan. (Plate XXIV) No. 332 is part of the large fish supposed to be Ozymandias gilberti Jordan (Fossil Fishes of Southern California, p. 44, pi. XXI). It consists of a fragment, 8 1/2 inches long, with 12 large quadrate vertebrae from near the head, with their appendages. Vertebrae without ridges or grooves on the side, the median portion on each side a little prominent. The neurals are strong, directed well backward, well separated, with two dagger-shaped interneurals between each pair below first dorsal ; these corresponded to a long first dorsal fin of a dozen rays or more ; ribs well separated, very strong, curved strongly backward, each as long as six vertebrae. Body of even depth, the dorsal and ventral outlines seeming straight. A broad, shortish pectoral fin of 12 to 15 rays detached from body, on side of belly. It is not certain that this specimen belongs to Ozymandias, nor is it clear in what family it should be placed. The vertebrae and interneural structures agree very closely with those of the living genus Ophiodon Girard (O. elongatus), which now inhabits California waters. This is the sole representative of its family among recent fishes. " - link to document One year later, 1921, as stated in D. S. Jordan. 1921. The Fish Fauna of the California Tertiary. Biological Sciences. Volume I, No. 4. Stanford University Publications Woah this looks pretty close you might be right! This is amazing thank you so much. I need to measure this guy, I've been so busy I haven't do so yet. I also am still trying to head back out to the location I found it to see if there are more pieces (hopefull head or tail or something more). Thank you so much for this information! -Amy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goatinformationist Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 Ok, go back but wear a helmet. And welcome to the FF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADURAN Posted March 27, 2017 Author Share Posted March 27, 2017 47 minutes ago, goatinformationist said: Ok, go back but wear a helmet. And welcome to the FF. haha, yes sir! and thank you very much! Everyone on here have been so kind and helpful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micah Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 Wow! Great find!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBrewer Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 Wow! That is one stellar first find, congratulations! you must enter it here http://www.thefossilforum.com/index.php?/forum/150-fossil-of-the-month/ John Map of UK fossil sites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynot Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 6 hours ago, JohnBrewer said: you must enter it here Too late for that. Darwin said: " Man sprang from monkeys." Will Rogers said: " Some of them didn't spring far enough." My Fossil collection - My Mineral collection My favorite thread on TFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBrewer Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 17 hours ago, ynot said: Too late for that. Didn't check the original date! Thanks for pointing it out to the OP and me Tony. John Map of UK fossil sites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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