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Is this a Lebanon octopus or a squid painted to look like one?

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-Andy-

Hi all, a friend recently offered an interesting fossil to me - an octopus from Lebanon.

 

Now, as some of you might know - Lebanon does have octopus fossils, though they are very rare. This fella here doesn't look outright fake at first glance, but I don't know if he's real either.

 

I don't know many Lebanese experts, but when I showed it to two, here's what I was told.

 

Expert A - It's real, but the tentacles are painted

Expert B - It's just a squid painted to look like an octopus

 

Now, painted tentacles is annoying, but at least it would be a real octopus. But a squid painted to look like one is a big no-no. What are your thoughts on this guy?

 

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Fossildude19

I would have to say that this looks like a squid, with tentacles painted. 

The large, dark object on the left hand side looks to me like a cuttlebone, which would indicate it is a squid. 

 

Compare with an image with reversed black and white:

 

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Troodon

I agree the tentacles look painted on and a poor job at that.  For comparison here are a couple being sold by a dealer.  .  The bottom one looks very close to the one in question.  He's calling them squid with these species names

Trachytheuthis libaotica   aandRachitheuthis donovani 

hitheuthis donovani 

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Troodon

Examples of Octopus from Lebanon.  The top one is very cool.

 

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Rockwood

The contrast between the look of what would be soft tissue on the fish and that of the tentacles is what I noticed first. They should have gone with a semi gloss.

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RJB

Very interesting.  learn something new everyday.

 

RB

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-Andy-

Thanks guys.

 

I shall be passing on this then.

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